Talk:Bionicle/Archive 1

Order of External Links
To me it seems as if the BS01 links "sticks out" in the middle of the forums. Shouldn't it be BS01 and the the 3 forum links? --torritorri 19:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Where are the Bionicle Tohunga?

MaskofLife.co.nr
OK, this has gone on long enough. There needs to be some sort of agreement over whether to include www.maskoflife.co.nr in the external links list or not. Personally, I don't think it hurts anything to include it, especially if keeping it up there will shut up whoever keeps posting it. What are your thoughts? Drakhan 03:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Mask of Life, in my opinion, is just another fansite that's using this article for advertising. Call me opinionated, but I say remove it. BoMEpsilon 21:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the MaskofLife site again and you're right, there's too little there to make it worth being listed in an encyclopedia. I'll look into what can be done to keep it from being put up there again, as the repeated edits (and occasional flaming) seem to be crossing the line into vandalism. Drakhan 20:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I know the sites just small, but it's just a baby that needs to grow, leave it there, it doesnt hurt, signed, The Creator(s) of Mask of Life

OK, just leave it!BoMEpsilon

Leave Mask of Life there! Please! I think its kewl. I joined

Leave it on! It's no different then other Fan Sites!!

Hey Epsilon, You have a fan site, Brotherhood of Makuta. I know more about you than you think, your conversation with FalconDwn come to mind? Don't threaten him or Mask of Life!! He's my friend!

We won't shut up...BlaBLaBLa!Hooheehooo!Hohehooh! Can you tell I'm having fun posting on our sites disscusion?


 * First of all, please sign your posts. You do it by typing four ~ symbols in a row. And I'll allow that Mask of Life needs time to grow - but please don't add it to an encyclopedia listing until it's grown; that's what search engines like Yahoo and Google are for. Drakhan 19:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed it. I'm sick and tired of them readding it.

All they do is take the news away from BZP and MoD. It should be removed. -Swert of BS01

BlahBlahBlah!! It won't hurt to leave the link their. Not signed. but guess,


 * Warning to the Mask of Life admin:
 * Please stop adding commercial links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming, and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising. Thanks.
 * Warning to all involved:
 * It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that preventive administrative action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks!
 * Drakhan 00:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the keep a cool head part. not gonna stop. No different than other sites

The BoM sucks thing wasn't me...The "admin"24.229.156.62 02:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I am having WAAAAAAY too much fun on here! 24.229.156.66 18:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Signing post does nothing for me cause i don't have a screen name, I did, though.


 * Dark Jedi, please do NOT make fake posts with other people's signatures. You're not fooling anyone - even if you pretend to be someone else, the History page records the post as coming from you. So stop. This is the sort of thing that can get you blocked. Drakhan 02:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that mask of life's link should be kept on...I mean whats the big deal if you think it is just stealing news dont go on mask of life first! If it makes some people happy then whats the major (or minor for that matter!) problem? The site wont hurt anyone and the staff certainly wont! so just leave it alone...No one is gonna care...Keep it on. (i think its cool and enjoy the site personnally.)205.238.237.114 02:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)signed (not the staff.) a fan of the site who will be devastated if it comes off!...please keep it on.

That website rocks! Definetly keep it on...Its not even fair if they take it off! Even if you think the site is not so great...Wouldnt it be good to give some practice to ameture website developers! It's always good to have a start!Why does anyone give a care if its on there? just keep it!205.238.237.212 03:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC) signed someone mad at people who crush website develepors hopes of a good website.

Um, i enjoy the site, and even though it is still small... just leave it alone!

What does it matter in the scope of etternity if the site link is just used for ad! So are all the other sites links!

Got a better idea that leaving it on! it is to much work!

This thing needs to stay off unless it gets bigger. It has 3 members and steals news of BZP and MoD. The admin has been SPAMing up this talk page so I say keep it off. I have been deleting it every time I see it. -Lihyahm

Look, I have been there many times, and the site is still small, but, look, what will it hurt if u just leave it alone!

OKAY!!! This HAS gone on long enough! I'M SICK OF IT!!! For Mata-Nui's sake just leave the link there! IT DOESN'T HURT!!! I haven't been spaming up the talk! THAt was someone else, HONEST.

the last thing I wanted was conflicts beetween our sites. I am extremely sorry for any derogatory comments made on this page by members of Mask of Life, - The Mask of Life Admin

24.115.72.134, stop adding Mask of Life to the links section. It still, after so many attempts to put it in before, is considered advertising. 64.9.15.158 15:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

And other sites arn't considered advertising?

This is the largest disscussion on the Bionicle page, sweeeeet

LEAVE IT!!!!......geez-um....whats all this fuss about! Its a new site and no one cares if it is small! If you leave it their, this will all be over! Please just leave it!205.238.237.117 21:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)signed a really ticked-off fan!

KEEP it216.169.186.9 23:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)a fan

I love that site......DO NOT REMOVE!!216.169.186.9 23:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)a fan


 * I do not believe that there should be a link to that site, as there is nothing worth linking to there. However, I have also removed two other links that I believe to be innapropriate, as per Wikipedia's external linking policy. --InShaneee 00:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The majority in this discussion is to keep the link on the page, so, I suggest to keep all the fans of Mask of Life happy, JUST LET THE LINK ALONE! Dark Jedi 07:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC) AND JUST LEAVE IT IT WON"T HURT ANYONE!  GEEZ!

As i said, the majority has won, we will keep the lind on the page! End of Descusion! As i said, the majority has won, we will keep the lind on the page! End of Descusion! As i said, the majority has won, we will keep the lind on the page! End of Descusion!


 * One, the discussion is NOT over just because someone says so. Two, even if it was, the discussion posts should be left where they are and not deleted. And on top of that, if you're going to add a post, could you PLEASE do it at the bottom of the page where we can all find it easily?


 * Please, could everyone just take a breather so we could have a calm discussion? Read that external linking policy that InShaneee linked to and let's see if we can't come to some sort of agreement over this. Drakhan 03:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing on there that says the link shouldn't be kept, besides, what will it hurt, ANSWER ME, WHAT WILL IT HURT,-Mask of Life admin

Why do you not want the link there?

Why do you not just leave it and let this be over?


 * Because it's consdered shameless advertising. We've explained it before. And that "OK, just leave it!" comment was faked. BoMEpsilon 14:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the reason they put a fake one is cause they worked hard on their site and some shamless people on the net try to take it off...Not that i dont think putting a fake was stupid....but come on everyone makes mistakes! And I agree with the MAJORITY WON deal...it did...almost everyine wants it on! r:205.238.237.192|205.238.237.192]] 14:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)a MAJOR fan of the site, bigger than the rest

Majority? The website only has two message board topics on it, and since most of these comments from the "majority" are unsigned, how can we even be sure "almost everyone" wants it? And faking a comment because you worked so hard on it doesn't make it right. BoMEpsilon 17:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Actualy epsilon, we have new message boards, they arn't very big but, give the site time to grow, i have an idea how we can clear this all up... : Say, once our site has, oh, 25 members, we will be able to put it on the page! Again, to contact me my AOL screen name is Magnetic Orb, and we can sort ths out. We apreciate your time, and we just wish to provide people with bionicle news. The Mask of Life staff.

Most websites put on the external linking section were removed from there for having only 100 members. And the fact your personal attacks against me (off of this website) aren't really giving me the urge to negotiate with you on a personal basis. BoMEpsilon 18:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

You know, the external links are not for advertising or for getting members, they are for providing information in bionicle. Your site does not do so. BZP does. tBoM does. If it was simply because of a "nice site", mine would be up there. And mine has over 150 members. But you see, my site doesn't really provide much that would be useful to Wikipedia readers, so it is not listed. Yours, even though it may be a lovely website, doesn't either. - Cee-estee (no account)

Our site is small 'cause no one bothers to sign up, but they do for other sites, fate is cruel

Maybe cause other sites are several of the following: 1: better 2: bigger 3: have better communities 4: older (this is a big one) 5: don't have people who go advertising everywhere 6: have useful information that is not listed on BZP and other sites already Need I go on? - Cee-estee

What do other saites don't have that we can put on, think about. and here. 2.it would be bigger if people signed up. 3.same as 2. 4.can't help that one. 5. We don't, at least I don't. and 6. what is there that other sites don't have, what am I Greg F. to you people!!! this is getting off subject;leave the link there, please-Mask of Life admin

It's a NEWS site, not an info site...so you can't blame us for being weak on the info,

Doesn't it strike you as odd that just after we put the first bionicle comic for download on our site, Bzpowers newest thing was refrence to comics? (Just a thought, I'm not accusing anyone of anything)

As for number 4, yes you can help that. You can wait. You have plenty of time, no? And number 5, yes you are. You're posting your site on wiki. That's what I'm talking about. - Cee

You're right, we can wait, but the wait will be half as long if we get people to our site and, I think you would still take off the link if our site was like BoM, or MoD, seriously-Admin of the MoLi

If your site was like them, then you would have more members. And you still haven't ackloleged the fact that my site, with 150 members and over 10,000 posts, isn't even listed here. - Cee

MoLi Admin, If your site is up there, then so should every Bionicle forum with 4 or more members. You don't have any exclusive news or any worthwhile things on your forums. This needs to stay off Wikipedia. -Lihyahm

Your site has 150 members? What is it? maybe I'll join

Look, we have already decided that once we have 100 members we can keep the link on the page! I think now everyone should just surrender! I mean, me and Cee Estee, BoMEpsilon and a few others have talked it over, and once we reach 100, we can just forget about the whole thing! Also. i think that once we put a downloadable comicspage on our site, BZPower did the same! Take a lession from that! BZPower looks to us for news! Just leave the site alone once it gets 100 active members!


 * Not necessarily. It could be just coincidence. BoMEpsilon 19:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

My answer to Lihyahm's comment! Listen here, who are u to keep us off wikipedia, u are a nobody! U have no athority to keep us off! Huh, where do u command who puts up links or not! YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER US! --Dark Jedi 18:03, 12 March 2006 (UTC) AGAIN, U HAVE NO POWER OVER US!

Who r u to command us not to put links on wikipedia, it is a free encyclopedia and should remain that way! Unless u can prove u have any athority, i will ignor u! --Dark Jedi 18:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC) by the way http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_problem/Vandalism it says i can put the link on if i want!

Listen Drakhan, comunity justice has no official tie in to wikipedia, it says so on the Comunity Justice page! So back off, u have no power over us or our site! So knock it off! --Dark Jedi 18:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC) Friend of the MoL admin! Stop peging them, all the other sites on wiki are used for advertising also! The MoL link breaks no rules on the external links page, so forget it!--Dark Jedi 18:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead try and block me! Just try it Drakhan!


 * Fine. I may not have the power to block you, Dark Jedi, but I can alert the admins to the fact that you're throwing a temper tantrum, and THEY can block you.


 * Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.


 * For the rest of us, should I ask someone to come in and mediate? The Wikipedia policies on this are outlined here. Drakhan 22:11, 12 March 2006

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I am REALLY confused. This disscussion has gottan REALLY hard to read, P.S., I have made NO personal attacks.

I personally would love for the site to stay on,but everyone is taking this way too far! Having 100 members before being able too post is completely reasonable! I mean come on! just do that and stop throwing tantrums on the message board!...Do you wanna know how many points you just lost for doing that?!?205.238.237.80 04:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)get more members

I said the SITE should stay of Wikipedia, not you, or your supporters. On the subject of deleting sites, who keeps taking off MNOnline? -Lihyahm

OK.Quite a few of us have decided that once Mask of Life has 100 members it can stay on wikipedia. Once we have 100 members, the link will go back up, and there will be no further arguement. Now, I hope I can safely say, Disscussion Over.-Admin of the MoLi

Block me, go ahead, but we do what we want, u do what u want, so we keep link once we reach 100! U CAN'T BLOCK ME, I AM TO POWERFUL, JUST TRY IT! Dark Jedi

I agree, Dark Jedi is being a little abusave, but mask of life is a news site, i am one of the staff, there main subject is news, not message boards --Toa of Sound 16:53, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * "Just try it", Dark Jedi? Done. I've reported you at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.


 * Back on topic - the 100-member thing sounds fair; once the site has grown we can re-evaluate it to see if it's worth linking to. Drakhan 17:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Dark jedi...omg...why do you keep throwing tantrums! Stop i thought you were good with that 100 member deal! your gonna get blocked if you continue! geez-um! stop!205.238.237.215 20:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)anonymus

Thank u sooo much for blocking dark jedi! Now, i agree, once we have 100 members, we can put the link on the page. sound fair, alright, i hope we have this sorted out! --Toa of Sound 20:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

HA HA HA! No one took you seriously Drakhan! I am not blocked, and continue to fight for my friends website! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! You havn't seen the last of me yet! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!--Dark Jedi 20:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC):Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. by the way, i forgot to tell you, i work for wikipedia! HA HA HA! I can't be blocked, but i can block u!

Just shu up dark jedi! U are taking up room in the descussion with noscience! --Toa of Sound 20:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, Good News/Bad News time. The good news is, one of the admins looked at my report and blocked Dark Jedi. The bad news is, he's only been blocked for a day. He'll probably be back tomorrow and I'm guessing he'll be upset; so I figured I'd give everyone a heads-up.


 * Now, it looks like we've just about reached an agreement, so if we can wrap up this discussion before he comes back it'll be loads easier on everyone. Are we all agreed on the plan that Mask of Life stays off the External Link list until it has at least 100 forum members? Drakhan 23:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, all of the MoLi members have agreed! And Dark Jedi isn't blocked, he told me, so he will probably be on, heads up!--Toa of Sound 23:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * ...amazing what happens when you don't look at a page for some time. :P And agreed. BoMEpsilon 00:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

As I said before, we've agreed, Disscussion Over... Finally!

Finally, we are all agreed! Dark Jedi is blocked, so when he comes back, he will probably be mad that the descussion ended without him! PS i know this guy, and sometimes he cools down very quickly!--Toa of Sound 17:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Discussion hearby closed by all members that have posted.

What links should be listed?
This site is nowhere near large enough or pertinent enough to be listed. Its only difference from the plethora of petty IF sites is the fact that the admin was able to afford actual IPB software. The only forums that should be listed are BZPower and Mask of Destiny (MNOnline is concievable, if only for the fact that Greg Farshety, author of the Bionicle comics, is now a member). I am removing tbomonline from the external links section, and I encourage anyone who spies it shamelessly advertised here again to follow my lead. --A rational thinker


 * Only difference? The website does have a wiki, which is fairly comprehensive, and what it doesn't have in size is made up for in functionality. And as for your Greg comment, the website has, before its merge, had a live chat with Greg Farshtey, which not many boards have had the chance to do. In fact, it plans to get a chat with Stuart Sayger too. Also, in case you've forgotten, you may want to sign your posts next time. –BoMEpsilontalk 00:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Is the ability to accept "a rational thinker" as an appropriate title alien? At any rate, I still see no justification for tbomonline being advertised on wikipedia, paticuarly with the abscence of matanuionlinev3, which is certaintly more pertinent than tbomonline.  It's entirely concievable that in the future, tbomonline could rise in status to be included in the group of relevant Bionicle fan-sites, but it's certaintly not there yet.  As it stands, the only truly pertinent Bionicle fan sites are BZPower, Mask of Destiny (both officially recognized by TLG and have been linked to on bionicle.com), and BS01, which is the de facto center for Bionicle information and has a truly comphrehensive wiki.  If you want my frank advice, cease with the ego trip and start thinking clearly.  You may have a great little forum, but it's not on par with the "big two" yet.  --A rational thinker


 * To be frank to you, I think you need to stop making attacks and instead try to help solve the dispute we're having now. Mata Nui Online v3 should be kept in, I agree with you there, however, I may want to remind you that the external links section is not for advertising in the first place- if you truly think that's my intentions to keep tBoM in the external links section, then you have the entire idea for the external links section wrong. If you want my even more frank advice, you really should read or maybe even reread Wikipedia's external linking policy. –BoMEpsilontalk 16:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The nature of my capmpaign against having tbomonine in the external links section currently is because I don't want Wikipedia to be used for advertising--I don't know how on earth you could glean some sort of condoning of advertising on Wikipedia from my comments here, but I digress from that issue. Only pertinent, relevant web sites should be linked to in the external links section, and the only fan sites that fit that category currently are BZpower, Mask of Destiny, Bionicle Sector 01, and concievably MataNuiOnline (though the latter is questionable).  If your intentions for adding tbomonline to this page's external links section aren't for shameless advertising, then what are they for?  If you think tbomonline provides relevant content, please explain what it is, because I do not see it.  --A rational thinker

Yes, I delete it whenever i see it, especially sense it breaks many rules in Wikipedias policys. More link SPAM!--Dark Jedi 18:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Dark Jedi, you were banned for 24 hours because of link spam. And "rational" thinker, I think you misunderstood why I suggested you read the external linking policy- it was the fact you keep removing something that is relevant. Of course, this was unclear, so I see why you would misunderstand my point. So far, though, you have provided subjective criticisms on why tBoM should be removed, you have attacked my ego, and you have completely disregarded the need for negotiation. If that is your thought process on this matter, I suggest you abstain from the discussion in the first place. I have already said why I thought tBoM should be kept on there, perhaps if you did not attack the person speaking to you now, you would see why I put tBoM in the external links section. –BoMEpsilontalk 21:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I fail to see where I'm disregarding negotiation; I have been presenting the reasons why I find tbomonline to be unworthy of note on Wikipedia, and why its seems fairly obvious that you've been adding your web site simply to promote it and boost your ego. You've lashed back, twisted my words, and acted in a condescending manner, as if I was a vulgar newb.  I've replied asking for an explanation as to why you think tbomonline is pertinent, and you've said nothing on the matter.  If you would actually read my "posts" here in full, you'd realize that I'm entirely open to intelligent presentation of the opposing viewpoint.  If you can produce some evidence that tbomonline is a site relevant enough to be linked to in this article, then I will by all means advocate it being added to the external links section.  As it stands, however, I see no difference between tbomonline and the myriad of memberless IF websites.  If you want negotation and a resolution of this problem, please stop treating any opinion that is different from yours as an "attack" and start actually listening to what other people have to say.  --A rational thinker


 * Praytell, how am I adding tBoM to boost my ego if I haven't even added it since you've done this? My ego has remained the same- maybe it's yours that needs to be a little less large. And excuse me for being honest, "cease with the ego trip and start thinking clearly" isn't really open in my opinion. Also, I'd prefer not to continue this discussion where everyone could see- could you please contact me over the AIM name BoMEpsilon? I'd rather carry this "intelligent presentation", as you put it, in private. –BoMEpsilontalk 00:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to add that I looked at this TBOM website, it may not be very big but it's a decent enough Bionicle website. For one thing it has 250 some registered members, while MoD itself is close to around 1000 members, compared to most IF forums which only have 15 to fifty members. I say it should be linked or something because it looks like a good enough site to me, and it's still growing. The news may not be as plentiful, but the forums seem to be steadily growing, plus someone had to pay for that software right? Why not give the site a chance and just mention it's not a big site, perfect for people who like smaller crowds of people. Or at least thats my opinion in the matter. In the meantime I hope you all will get over discussing whos talking down to who and just say the facts. Keep in mind I was direceted here by someone else and read over it the best I could, so this is my answer based on my research. -Imatron


 * I just wanted to throw in that I don't believe MNOv3 should be kept, either. What does it have that makes it acceptable under the wikipedia external linking policy? --InShaneee 01:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

No message boards should be redirected to! None of the external links should be placed on the page ecxept Bionicle.com, for this site contains info about bionicle, and also Piraka.com, the offical sites! NO FAN SITES! And, also, I am very sorry for my behavor in the past discussions...--Dark Jedi 18:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

ATENTION BoMEpsilon: In past talks (off this site) you told Mask of Life owners to stop advertising on wiki, you said it was and old site on which to advertise. You should practice what you preach! Why are you so determind to have your link stay, when you said yourself wiki was an old advertising space?--Toa of Sound 19:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

This is in reply to various posts since my last. BoMEpsilon: I will admit your behaviour after the fact has left me surprised. As I have said repeatedly, I'm entirely open to hearing possibilites aside from the ones that I deduced. Maybe I'm just not intelligent enough to understand, but if you weren't adding it for advertising, what compelled you to consider tbomonline worthy of "linkage" here? This seems to be the central issue to me, and it would be helpful if you'd explain it. Imatron: I would argue that the fact that a site is a "good" site doesn't necessarily make it worthy of note in an encyclopedia entry. As I have said, I'll be the first to admit that tbomonline seems like a nice little place, but I don't find it worthy of inclusion here. InShaneee: I agree that MNO is not necessarily worthy of reference here, although it is more worthy than tbomonline as I see it. Dark Jedi: I disagree entirely. If a web site is worthy of note on the subject at hand, then it should be linked to, whether official or not. BZPower has recieved financial aid from TLG, two employees of Lego are regular posters, and both it and Mask of Destiny have been linked to on the official Bionicle web site. Bionicle Sector 01 is also incredibly noteworthy; it contains nearly every shred of information on the subject of Bionicle that is available. Toa of Sound: I agree on the initial issue, however I feel compelled to admit that Epsilon hasn't added the link to his site since this debate began. Let's keep anger in check and, as both sides have said, resolve this issue. --A rational thinker
 * This is in reference to Dark Jedi: Piraka.com is not an official site. The info on that site is false to the storyline, all it is on there is blatant advertisement of the mood the Piraka have. They are not gangsters, they are just evil beings. If anything else, by your definition, it should be removed.
 * Anyway, I would have allowed tBoM on this page, but with what you pointed out, I wouldn't anymore. But, now why do you allow that one site on there that's there? --Swert of BS01, Staff Member, Graphics Manager

Guys guys! Com'on! In the direction you're going we're going to end up with ALL the fansites, except maybe BZPower, off the external links list! And if all you can do is dispute about it it aint a half bad idea. Anyway, you're leading the links down a path of destruction. Signed, someone who doesn't want any of the "external links" disscussion to go on any more.

Mask of Life. MnonlineV3. tBoM. They all used to be on the links list. They are now gone, and there is only 3 links left on the fan sites section. When the Advertising on The Page subject was raised, site owners jumped to defend their sites; they knew that they really were just advertising. BZPower, definetly will stay on, but every other site, Greg a member or not, is going to be crushed by disscussions such as this. No matter how large, or how recognized by official bionicle, they all will fall if we keep this up.Jedizati 12:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC), A house devided against itself will fall

I agree. shameless ads.--Toa of Sound 15:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd like to point out MNO hasn't argued at all. Just so you know. And you speak as if BZP is immune to this. I'd like to say that's largely incorrect. 64.9.15.158 16:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Then have it removed. –BoMEpsilontalk 20:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I know it sounds like I'm holding up BZP, but, I mean, who would want it off the list, It's the BIGGEST fan site.-24.115.72.68 23:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

There should be a link only to BZP, and maybe Mask of Destiny. Quoting from WP:EL: "Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)" --torritorri 03:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree, Torritorri. For starters, it's said "In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link." BZP is NOWHERE NEAR a Web Directory of Fansites. So, multiple links should be fine.
 * Plus, why remove BS01's link? You didn't specify it, so I'm assuming you'd want to discard it. --Swert of BS01 Staff Member, Graphics Manager

I'm NOT saying all the links except BZP should be off. I'm saying quite the opposite. What is so wrong with having links there? Don't give me that 'nothing exclusive' or 'not big enough' thing. Does it keep you up at night? No. My opinion: If you have a Bionicle fan site, you can put it under "fan sites" in the external links list. I'm sick of this whole links disscussion and, when you think about it, it's not really making much sense.-Jedizati 13:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC), A house devided agaionst itself will fall!

Jedizati is exactly right! Fan sites are aloud to be listed in the external links! "Fan sites" mean anything to you guys? Fan sites: Sites made by fans, for fans! All of the sites are adversiting on this page!--Toa of Sound 22:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC) I am calling someone in to meadiate!


 * There's noting wrong with having links to fan sites, but if they have nothing pertinent to offer, if they are not worthy of note, they should not be linked to here. BZPower is the biggest Bionicle center of information and discussion, the largest Lego fan-site on the entire internet, if I recall correctly.  Mask of Destiny is also quite large, has a wealth of information, has been recognized and linked to by TLG (as has BZPower), recieves press kits (as does BZPower), and has Greg Farshety (author of the Bionicle comics and a major member of the Bionicle story team) as a member (as does BZPower).  Bionicle Sector 01 probably contains more information on the Bionicle story than Bionicle.com, BZPower, and Mask of Destiny combined (READ: hyperbole ;P), and is definitely a link that should be listed here.  Jedizati, I may be simply ignorant, but instead of finding my argument to "not make sense," I'm failing in my endeavour to ascertain rationale in yours.  If you could explain this apparent error in my judgement, I'd be much obliged.  --A rational thinker

I'm sorry Swert, but I forgot about the BS01 link. I would include it. However, is this really an "extreme case"? I see site owners overexaggerating it to make it seem like it is such a "case", but I don't think so. btw, Swert, which links would you include? i'm not exaclty clear which side you're on (no offense meant) --torritorri 04:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Fan Sites means Fan Sites, Sites made by fans. I think if you have a fan site, you can put it on and, Rational Thinker, I said none of that not big enough or Nothing exclusive stuff, you said it in different wording. Anyway, I believe that EVERY fan site has something exclusive to contribute. Even Mask of Life and tBoM. By the way, this disscussion should bhave a serious title change.-Jedizati 17:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC), And DO NOT give me anymore Excuses,

This whole disscussion is about whether or not to keep a sertain link there. This is almost identical to the Mask of Life disscussion. I HATE THESE DISSCUSSIONS!!!! uhg! Jedizati 17:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC

FAN SITES ARE SITES MADE BY FANS, AND FAN'S SITES SHOULD BE LISTED! WIKIPEDIA IS A FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA WHERE PEOPLE ADD WHAT THEY WANT WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE POLICYS! TBOMONLINE IS A FAN SITE THAT I THINK SHOULD BE LISTED TO, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER FAN SITES THAT FANS PLACE LINKS TO HERE! I AGREE SOMEWHAT, BUT PEOPLE, YOU ARE TAKING THIS WAY TO FAR, AND YOU ARE JUST MAKING FOOLS OUT OF YOURSELFS! I AM CALLING FOR A MEADIATOR! --Toa of Sound 20:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * - Fan sites are usually not allowed by wikipedia's policies, which you'd know if you bothered to read them.
 * - Do not post in all caps, or all bold (which I have taken the liberty of removing). It is considered uncivil.
 * - I've already asked for some outside assistance. --InShaneee 20:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Fan sites aren't ussually allowed eh? Well if you've even glanced at this site you'll know that thousands of links on wikipedia are to fan sites, and not to official sites.-Jedizati 20:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay! Unblock my Friend Toa of Sound NOW! Okay! He didn't do a thing! Unblock him now! Jedizati 21:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Another paragraph in response to many statements: @Jedzati's first comment since my last: I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're saying. I'm having extreme difficulty following your sentence structure and discerning what you're saying. @ the population at large: Getting angry isn't going to get anything done, and spam comments containing your editorial opinion on the discussion itself contributes nothing to the debate. I'd really like to stay on-topic; I still haven't recieved an answer on my original question. --A rational thinker

Fan Sites, do you know what that means? It means sites made by fans, which is what should be on the extarnal links section, ALL OF THEM.-Jedizati 00:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Rational Thinker, I can't understand what YOU'RE saying, either. I can read your sentences, I can read your words, but what are you saying?-Jedizati 00:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC), Oh, by the way, thanks for taking my advice, the new title really works better, and, blocking Toa of Sound was a foolish move, he hasn't done ANYTHING uncivil, I checked into that. All you've done is antagonize him.

Blocking me was a big mess up. Warn me first next time before taking action of that kind. InShaneee is just escalating the problem by tacking insain action, and should calm down before coming back to the discussion. If this is how a Wikipedia admin behaves... I think fan sites, what ever they are, should be listed. It makes no sense, I mean, "Fan Sites" are sites made by fans, for fans. It will make no difference, what so ever, if sites are listed.--Toa of Sound 22:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC)