Talk:Birbhum district

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Dr.saptarshi 20:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * We need to find a good copyright-free map.
 * We need to put information on
 * Demography (eg distribution of population of different religions),
 * Economy,
 * Transport,
 * Education,
 * Sports
 * Reformatting is required for the page
 * Some good photograph (eg that of Khowai or baich khela etc)

I have an interest in the region and can provide some assistance. I have already done some cleaning up. Maybe, I will do so again. However, I do not have any photgraphs.

Please do not put in unnecessary links. It makes the reading jarring. P.K.Niyogi 15:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I have done another round of work on this and replaced the clean up tag with a stub tag. It requires further attention. I am still working on Asansol and Durgapur and want to work on Bardhaman district, as there is hardly any material on it. Bardhaman will consume much of my time. May be, I will return later to Birbhum, if no one else does anything significant, in the meantime. P.K.Niyogi 07:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

By "ever unsettled" as an adjective to Santhals I means both migratory as well as fighting behavior.. They are a component of the "Bir" behavior of this land. They come in from bihar as labourers, then get exploited and dont realize.. and suddenly when this realization dawns upon them, they explode and create furor.. But they are simple people easy to diatract. Just one bag of toddi or one bucketful of puffed rice chills their brain and cools their tummy. They need more education and basic amenities. :)-Dr.saptarshi 13:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Can any of you please explore this site and curette some encyclopedic info? http://www.wbcensus.gov.in/DataTables/01/FrameTable2_4.htm Please click on the presentation at the top menu for some very interesting stuff. Dr.saptarshi 14:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Waist vs Neck
Chandan, to me it looks more like waist. The northern districts like Darjeeling for the head, Dinajpur and Malda the bosom and Birbhum and Murshidabad the waist.--ManasShaikh (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The wording is "south of the narrow neck of of the state". Uttar Dinajpur is tradtionally referred to as the narrow neck. I think that the concept can be dropped. - Chandan Guha (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It is dropped - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. :) --ManasShaikh (talk) 18:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Query re: place names
I have an 1842 source here that says "... coal mines in Pachete and Bheerbhoome ... in Bengal ... within the space included by the river Adji to the north, the border of Burdwan to the east, the river Damooda to the south, and a circular line to the west, described from the town of Aytura in Pachete, at the distance of ten miles from Aytura, between the one river and the other."

The nearest match for "Bheerbhoome" is this article, although I can find no match for "Pachete". Can anyone place this area? Are there any old maps that might assist? It relates to a new article that I am fettling up, Suetonius Grant Heatly. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The place/area could be in the Asansol region, which has Ajay River to the north and Damodar River to the south. The area was once ruled by the Rajas of Panchkote (Panchet). - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Yes, that makes sense because of the coal mining aspect, but I couldn't find Pachete or Bheerbhoome there either. What with transliteration issues + old-fashioned Brit spelling, getting a fix on places can be a real pain. - Sitush (talk) 11:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Meant to say, Panchkote --> Panchet --> Pachete: it could be. Does it work out phonetically? - Sitush (talk) 11:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see Rennel's map around 1764-66, which shows "Pachait" in what is now the Asansol Region. It also shows "Soorie". - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Genius. I can see another problematic name on there, Palamow. This does the trick for me. Thanks very much for your help. - Sitush (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The map also shows "Beerboin", just around where Birbhum district presently is. - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It shows Pachete by that name, just above the capital letter A of "Pachait Burd". I've found a description that refers to "the great hill of Pachete, from which innumerable dykes issue". Whether that means the hill is called Pachete or there is a hill at a place called Pachete is moot. I am wondering whether it would be possible for me to sort of highlight the various names relevant to my on this map & upload it under another file name, or whether that would just cause other problems. I'm not very good with image work. I had hoped to link to articles but that now looks unlikely. - Sitush (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * "Pachait" is both a place (see small letters) and an area. "Burd" is shortened version of Burdwan. "Pachait" obviously refers to Panchakot kingdom, which was in decline in Rennel's time. There is a hill named Panchet Hill on the shores of Damodar River. It was earlier called Panchakot Hill. Panchet Dam has been named after the hill. There is another place Garh Panchkot linked with this name. - Chandan Guha (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Including Bengali script in the lead
I believe that this states clearly, without any ambiguity, "The body of each article, preferably in its first paragraph, should list all frequently used names by which its subject is widely known. When the native name is written in a non-Latin script, this representation should be included along with a Latin alphabet transliteration. For example, the Beijing article should mention that the city is also known as Peking, and that both names derive from the Chinese name 北京." Keeping this in view, native name in the native script should have been included in the article. Shovon (talk) 04:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This article is part of WP:WikiProject India. The project have decided that Indian articles should not include indic script in the lead. See WP:INDICSCRIPT. noq (talk) 19:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry noq, the closing admin's observation hardly comes across as a consensus to me. Its written, "There is ultimately no consensus about which language to use, but I see a fair bit of support in regards to IPA and pronunciation and would think this would help normal readers, so I am going to say that 'Using IPA to clarify pronunciation' is the consensus of this discussion, all other sections do not meet a level of consensus needed to pass.'" I don't see the justification at all! Shovon (talk) 05:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have mentioned your concerns on the project talk page to see what participants of that project think. noq (talk) 07:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The consensus was there and has been widely applied. However, various discussions at WT:INB have indicated that appropriate scripts would be ok for geographic articles.. "Appropriate" means scripts that are the primary official language for the area, as determined by reference to sources. I don't like this exception but it does seem to have support. - Sitush (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. So it means that -
 * a) For geographic articles, script of the primary official language of the area can be added.
 * b) For biographical articles, only IPA and pronunciation should be added.
 * So, I am re-inserting the Bengali script in this article then. I hope it is alright. Shovon (talk) 10:24, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Cuisine of Birbhum
I am so thrilled to see that this article which I had started 10 years back has become a good article. Hats off to all the people whose focussed team work made this achievement. Would it be possible for any of the locally available contributors to get some information on the unique foods, cuisines of this area? Eg I remember that there were some sort of crispies like "Hurum" and "shyao bhaja" etc, and there were murabba made of asparagus roots that I had seen in Suri which was locally called "shatamooli'r morobba".. which I think are unique delicacies worth documenting and presenving. But of course for the text content we will need some 3rd party references as we cannot put original research here. But some original pictures can be put in --Dr.saptarshi (talk) 10:30, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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