Talk:Bitch Lasagna

November 2019 page recreation
For context, this page's history:
 * October 2018 release was deleted for being a poorly created article and for failing notabiility.
 * December 2018 recreation attempt was opposed for failing to demonstrate notability for a song (WP:NSONG)
 * April 2019 recreation attempt was opposed for being a poorly created article

I am recreating this page because I believe these issues have been addressed. I believe this song's notability has changed since the first few weeks immediately following its release (when the first article failed to demonstrate notability). I believe a standalone article is appropriate because there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article. I believe this new page is a sufficiently-sourced article to demonstrate WP:N and WP:NSONG via WP:GNG.

I've added some context to how I arrived at this decision below. I welcome discussion of any/all of the above and below points! —Shrinkydinks (talk) 07:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Previous article criticism
Elaborating on why this page should be re-created: An outline of previous issues with the article that led to deletion, and point-by-point addresses of these concerns:

The |27 October 2018 article attempt:
 * "The article is extremely short and largely unsourced"
 * "not enough (or any found as of writing this) third party reliable sources that discuss it in significant detail (fails WP:GNG)"
 * "The song is already mentioned under PewDiePie"
 * Addressed: Expanded article by elaborating on more significant coverage since this AfD discussion. Provided sufficient detail to merit a standalone article by going beyond stub-class depth.

The |6 December 2018 article attempt:
 * "There is no indication of notability per WP:NSONG. The "kotaku" and "variety" references only briefly mention the song and the "dexerto" reference may not a reliable source."
 * Addressed with higher quality sources, some of which directly discuss the song, and others of which comprise more significant coverage of the song since this discussion a year ago.

The |8 April 2019 article attempt:
 * Recreation was objected to because "the sources you have cited fail to establish notability"
 * Addressed with higher quality/more sources.

Context from March 2019:
 * Two months after "Bitch Lasagna"'s original deletion, the broader topic "PewDiePie vs T-Series" was created. It was speedy-kept in an AfD in March 2019.

Quality sources
Elaborating on why this page should be re-created: I believe there are sufficient quality sources on this topic, which support an article of sufficient depth, to merit a standalone page (covering relevant material that could not be condensed into a stub). These sources include which are all approved on Wikipedia's list of discussed reliable sources. Other reliable sources included in the context section of this article include: I believe these sources together comprise notability via WP:GNG.
 * Vox
 * The Atlantic
 * Variety
 * BBC News
 * Rolling Stone
 * CNET
 * The Verge
 * The Washington Post
 * CNBC

—Shrinkydinks (talk) 07:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Sources of middling quality
There are some sources of middling quality in this article. I have included the few of them that there are in the article as a start because I believe they are of high enough quality (defended below). That said, I believe the article could benefit from replacing these sources with ones of higher quality.
 * Know Your Meme — there is no consensus on their "confirmed" entries. To the extent that there are 1000s of articles covering online meme-specific content, and in this case the reference is only used to discuss online meme-specific content and that content's inclusion relevantly benefits the overall article, I believe its minimal inclusion is merited. —Shrinkydinks (talk) 07:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Good article. I've reviewed your comments on the talk page and I have to say I agree with you. Cheers..

Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 21:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I was a bit nervous about WP:BOLDly opening an article that had previously been AfD'd. Hope I did the topic justice with my article start and that the community agrees it was the right call, based on the outlined reasons (or others they'd like to add). —Shrinkydinks (talk) 22:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

"B**** Lasagna" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect B**** Lasagna. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:11, 1 February 2020 (UTC)