Talk:BlackBerry/Archive 1

Article
To be totally honest, this article is, IMHO, very badly organized. It doesn't start from basics and proceed to the more complicated stuff, it pitches you right in there without preparation. I looked in here to see if I need a BlackBerry (or any other rendition of the name) and am now, if that's possible, less informed than before I came here! I don't need the technical stuff right off, nor do I need to know who coined the name, for heaven's sake, I - and I think a lot of readers - need to know, in simple terms, what a BB does, can I download to it from my PC, will it help me with work and personal stuff, maybe how much, roughly, one will cost, and where to look if I want help acquiring one. Then you can move on to the technical details, by all means. 92.228.145.172 (talk) 13:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Blackberry is not the actual device name
Blackberry is actually the name of the technology behind RIM devices. Technology meaning push-email. You can find some phones on the market which are made by other manufacturers (Nokia and Sony Ericsson spring to mind) that have Blackberry built into them.

This is a VERY common misconception...RIM just haven't taken steps to call their phones by their model name with Blackberry built in...the correct way would be a RIM Bold 9000 with Blackberry... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.225.173 (talk) 07:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * No it's actually not a misconception at all. The name of the phone is Blackberry, because that's what RIM calls it.  Look it up anywhere, the product's name is BlackBerry Bold 9000, regardless of whether you agree with it.  How can you tell a company what the 'correct' name of THEIR product is?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.136.193.1 (talk) 20:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge with Research in Motion
I believe that these two articles should be merged, because they both contain identical content. Furthermore, Blackberry is the only brand of Research in Motion. JoshK48 (99.236.110.139 (talk) 01:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)ser talk:JoshK48|talk]]) 08:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong disagree: RIM is a company, Blackberry is a product/consumer device. I believe this is enough to remove the mergerbutt fuemsrine]] AY 00:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If it remains, then it would need to be cleaned up such that anything pertaining to company (such as the Patent section) should be deleted and merged with it on the RIM article. Because RIM's only product is Blackberry I believe it should be merged. --JoshK48 (talk) 07:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That is wholly incorrect. Blackberry is not RIM's only product. It is their most visible, and the only one most consumers see, but it is not the only one. RIM also makes the BES server software, which while a complement to the Blackberry is entirely separate. While all their products remain in some way related to the blackberry, there is enough of a difference between this article and the article about RIM to justify its existence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.223.58 (talk) 04:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Models in Separate Section
Allow me to introduce a major contribution: List of BlackBerry Models. Now that it is a separate article, it is time to start pruning the models section, it's gotten too big. I recycled the entire table as of today, so this article is a definite superset of the existing table as of October 17th, 2007. The table can now safely be deleted in its entirety in this article, and replaced with a summary-style section, bullet list at one line per major model. I leave this as an exercise to another writer (for now), but if nobody else does it, I will. Mdrejhon 22:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC) Done. Mdrejhon 18:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

SureType difficult to adapt to
More citations are needed for illustrating how SureType is sometimes difficult to use. Some need to choose some good citations for this. SureType is great stuff (I like it) but let's keep it in criticisms because of the pre-existing complaints, even some confirmation by RIM itself: http://www.blackberry.com/select/get_the_facts/pdfs/rim/IDC_RIM_on_the_move_in_asia_pac.pdf#page=6 http://www.pcworld.com/product/review/id,29487/samsung_sght719.html - And Some Amazon.com customer reviews for Pearl complain about SureType. Mdrejhon 18:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Blueberry
"Newer models with Bluetooth compatibility are colloquially nicknamed "BlueBerries"."

Doesn't the term "BlueBerry" refer to the Blackberry devices that are "blue" in color? I heard this term in reference to the Blue 7230 that didn't support Bluetooth. As opposed to the first Blackberry devices that were indeed all black. SureType is not at all difficult to use, there are loads of people who agree that SureType is better than a full fledged QWERTY keypad. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
I just edited this.


 * "In Scotland, the members of the Scottish Parliament who are from the Scottish National Party apparently call their BlackBerry devices "Brambles", which is the Scottish word for a blackberry because they are sad, over-promoted traffic-wardens."

Maybe Im wrong, but this is just antiscottish. Dappled Sage 00:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

No, you're not wrong, it's antiscottish and, quite simply, infantile - and I'm English, BTWMaelli (talk) 11:38, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

i just took this out "It is most definitely NOT for thirteen year old girls that have only ever owned ONE cell phone. It is for adults who need business not for simple phone calls. If your son or daughter under the age of 18 wants one tell them they are a spoiled brat and they arent ready for a blackberry, if they ask for one buy them the largest, bulkiest, most retarded cell phone you can possibly find. Especially an older cell phone that has a poorly graphic screen that is NOT LED." Schmiedster 03:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Took this out from nicknames. Looks suspiciously like promotional material, and I can't find a single reference to it in this context on the first three pages of Google results for the phrase.

"BlackBerry Blink" refers to that instant light up of the BlackBerry screen (In the Blink of an Eye) that engages the user in a speedy and direct communication with their network of friends, associates and colleagues. The name BlackBerry Blink being alliteration, also describes the nature of the BlackBerry itself as a communication tool crossing over key communication medium such as phone, text, email, web browser, internet faxing, attached documents, photos, videos etc. In other words, a joined-up instant communication in the blink of time it takes for that screen to come alive. Like alliteration the BlackBerry is very handy for emphasizing a certain phrase or communication and also acts as a memory or reminder aid. The phrase BlackBerry Blink can be used when referring to someone's availability if they have access to this communication tool i.e. "She is only a BlackBerry Blink away." With time, broader uptake of the use of the term may see it move beyond the specific reference to the use of the BlackBerry to the use of any instant communication device.Matruman (talk) 13:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Images
can someone help me? I tried to insert some pictures, but they won't show up right. do i need to upload them to the wikipedia server first?

http://www.blackberry.com/images/handhelds/rim850_950_reflect_small.gif http://www.blackberry.com/images/handhelds/landing/950_landing.jpg


 * Do not upload these images. They are copyrighted by RIM and I don't see any indication that they have been used elsewhere suggesting that they are free to use. KeithTyler 02:02, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

"Medium" vs "Large" Size
While the 8700 has a higher rez screen than the 72XX series, the surface area of 8700 screen is slightly less than the 72XX series. Therefore, this is classed as a "medium" size screen, not "large" as it says. This need to be cleaned up. Same goes for the 71XX series, although they are considered very large for non-full-QWERTY cellphone devices (the 71XX being non-full-QWERTY). Mdrejhon 05:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Plural of BlackBerry
Proper nouns ending in 'y' end in 's', not 'ies', so BlackBerrys and BlueBerrys is correct. It looks strange, so I bet that's why RIM always refers to them as "BlackBerry devices" and thus avoid having to deal with it. Bollar 02:50, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)


 * The usage here is like that used with people's names. There is one Danny, or a group of Dannys. --Lucanos 03:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * RIM undoubtedly uses "BlackBerry devices" on instructions from their lawyers, not because of spelling. One of the most common pieces of trademark law advice is to never use your trademark as a proper noun, and instead always clarify it as a specific brand of a type of thing.  Thus Kimberly-Clark uses "Kleenex facial tissues", not "Kleenex" or "Kleenexes", Johnson & Johnson uses "Band-Aid brand adhesive bandages", not "Band-Aids", etc.  RossPatterson (talk) 16:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

As always in English - there are exceptions to the rule. The plural of 'berry' is 'berries'. This could easily have been verified by referring to any standard dictionary. 24.16.164.253 16:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You're right, there are exceptions to the rule. This is the exception to the rule - generally you pluralise berry into berries but Berry is a proper noun and becomes Berrys 81.158.230.248 (talk) 15:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

According to the rules and conventions of grammar in the English language, any word ending in 'y' is pluralized as 'ies' not 'ys'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.236.93.210 (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * As Bollar said, proper nouns ending in 'y' are pluralised as 'ys', and this is also the pluralisation favoured by RIM, nor is the pluralisation rule 'y' -> 'ies' universal.  I've known this ever since I was playing with my toys with other boys in the rays of the sun.  Now, I'll grant you that 'ry' -> 'ries' seems to be universal among all common nouns in English, but that does not mean that the rule extends to proper nouns. --Saforrest (talk) 14:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would absolutely agree. Proper nouns are treated differently from regular nouns. Mechanically applying the same rule in every case with no regard to what you're applying it to is often wrong. 81.158.230.248 (talk) 15:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

"BlackBerry" is a trademark of RIM, at least in reference to telecoms equipment, etc. I don't know what WP style is on the matter, but most common style guides would have us avoid the 'y' vs 'ie' battle altogether by using and pluralizing " BlackBerry devices" or "BlackBerry handhelds" or whatever and leaving the trademarked name intact. Jmozena (talk) 16:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

how about this....if you create the product and you name the product, then you get to decide how to spell it. hence "blackberry devices" just ask tom or thom. or steven or stephen. when you create something, you get to decide how to spell the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.143.189 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 22 September 2009


 * English plural mentions "the [proper noun exception to y-to-ies pluralization] does not apply to words that are merely capitalized common nouns". "Blackberry" is a trademark formed from a capitalized common noun, so it makes sense that it would be pluralized to "Blackberries".
 * One might point out that trademarks are nearly always adjectives - "Blackberry devices" would be more correct than "Blackberries". Note, however, that we generally use the most popular term, rather than the most "proper" one. I don't see a problem with either "Blackberry devices" or "Blackberries", but for the above reasons I would recommend against using "Blackberrys". --Zarel (talk&sdot;c) 20:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

What does this mean?
BES monitors the email stores for users and transmits incoming email to BlackBerry handhelds through the Research In Motion Network Operations Center and then through the cellular network provider that the target device is registered with.

Can someone please clarify that sentence, especially the beginning? I don't know diddly about the server end of these things, but I know that sentence doesn't make a damn bit of sense :) Chris Lawson 05:59, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't know anything about how it works beyond what's written above. Deciphering that text gives me the following:


 * Company provides Blackberrys to employees. Company buys BES software. BES has an email store (place to store email) for each server. BES receives mail for the user, and sends the email to RIM's NOC. RIM's NOC then determines what cellular service the company uses for its Blackberrys, and tranfsers the email over to that cellular carrier's network, which is then responsible for getting it to the actual device.


 * It's not nonsense, and the method described also makes sense.


 * - Keith D. Tyler  [ flame ]  07:27, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna head over to RIM's site and see if I can find any docs there that explain this better. The part I'm having the most trouble with is "the e-mail stores for users" -- I just don't get what that's trying to say at all, and your explanation (no offence, Keith) doesn't sound like you have any idea either ;) Chris Lawson 07:54, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * You might want to start by researching how an email server works. When a server receives email, it doesn't just lump it all into a big mess, it puts it in separate stores for each user. Sometimes these are called "mailboxes", or especially in Outlook, "e-mail inboxes". "...the email stores for users...": stores, plural form of "store", a noun, commonly referring to a place to store something in server lingo. Not stores, a verb, being performed by the subject noun "e-mail".


 * Looking at this comparative review of BES at Techworld, it sounds like BES monitors the user mailboxes maintained by another MTA like Exchange, and picks up messages to forward to the device associated with that person. This assumption is backed up by the existence of different versions of BES for three major commercial enterprise mail servers.


 * - Keith D. Tyler  [ flame ]  21:13, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * I know how an e-mail server works, but for someone who doesn't, that made no sense at all. I've fixed it to read more clearly to the layman without being overly technical. I also left a comment on the original author's talk page, so maybe that individual can weigh in with more details. -- Chris Lawson 03:36, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC) funky fresh yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!

size
What is the size of a BlackBerry? --Abdull 09:20, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"RIM xxx" name of old devices
I've changed eg. "850" to "RIM 850" in the list of old devices. This page shows that the naming scheme only started calling the devices "Blackberry" after the 957.


 * They were called blackberrys back then but RIM decided to change the name for differentiation purposes. --Blah666 23:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Blackberry v. Technology Patents, not just NTP
The Blackberry v. NTP, Inc. case is a critical case that affects not just users of the Blackberry but all new technologies and business tools current and future.

If NTP wins this case, it will affect more than just Blackberry users as the case will be used to support other companies with patent lawsuits many of which have been filed to suppress new technology so that companies that manufacture older technology continue to dominate the market. A majority of these patent infringement lawsuits have been described as frivolous technology patents that prevent advancements in important and useful technologies.

What if opponents of stem cell research file patents for stem cell development so they can prevent anyone from using that technology? The old industries would find new ways to prevent new industries from replacing or superceding their business because it would render their industry obsolete?

We've seen this already with the oil industry, the software industry, and the media industry. Plans for cars that get better gas mileage prevented from being manufactured. Newer software by smaller software companies never get to consumers who seek better business applications.

U.S. Patent and Trademark Office mounts case against NTP patents
Research in Motion (RIM), provider of BlackBerry mobile e-mail, may well prevail over patent rights claimant NTP despite losing a major court case to NTP in November, 2002, and in subsequent appeals.

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has reviewed and is proposing to overturn all cited claims in the five patents that NTP relied on to win its case. While NTP representatives have told reporters that NTP will act to support and maintain the patent claims, the strength of those patents has become doubtful in the light of extensive, though still preliminary USPTO findings.

On its own initiative, the USPTO began reexamining five NTP patents in December, 2002, including four of those cited in the court decision. In August, 2003, RIM challenged the fifth patent that was cited. The USPTO began a reexamination of that patent as well as other NTP patents that were not cited in the court decision, for a total of eight NTP patents under review.

The eight NTP patents were all by inventors Thomas J. Campana, Jr., Michael P. Ponschke and Gary F. Thelen, from the Chicago area, filed between May, 1991, and December, 1999. They are quite bulky, with from 62 to 665 claims, and they are densely interrelated.

Campana, who died in 2004, formerly headed ESA Telecommunications of Chicago, and Ponschke and Thelen worked there as programmers. In 1990 ESA engaged in a remote communications project for Telefind of Coral Gables, FL, and an AT&T division located in Somerset, NJ, involving technology related to the patents now being reexamined. So far as can be seen, ESA had little commercial success in developing this type of technology, but Campana, Ponschke and Thelen continued to describe their inventions in patents that were assigned to NTP.

NTP has submitted thousands of pages of documents responding to the USPTO. In February, 2003, Campana executed a 27-page affidavit with several attachments, recorded by the USPTO July 6 in connection with reexamination 90/006,491. Exhibit 6 of that affidavit is a memo written by the head of Telefind recounting a demonstration that took place in New Jersey on October 26, 1990, further described below.

By late June, 2005, the USPTO had published initial findings for the eight patents, proposing to overturn some patents entirely and others partly. All patent claims cited in the court decision were rejected in the initial USPTO findings.

As of early January, 2006, the USPTO had reviewed responses from NTP to the initial findings for seven patents and was still proposing to overturn all patent claims cited in the court decision. Final actions from the USPTO are expected during the first half of 2006. NTP was allowed until December 28 to respond to one set of findings, and the USPTO will be reviewing its response.

During reexaminations, the USPTO built detailed cases against NTP patent claims developed largely from information contained in other U.S. patents. The USPTO found that U.S. patent 5,159,592 by inventor Charles E. Perkins, assigned to IBM, anticipated many claims in the NTP patents and was filed earlier than any of them. NTP has apparently been unable to show to the satisfaction of the USPTO that its inventions were documented or demonstrated before the Perkins patent held by IBM was filed.

The October 26, 1990, date claimed for ESA's demonstration to AT&T could be significant, because the Perkins patent application was filed October 29, 1990. However, according to the Telefind memo, what was demonstrated then was a "wireless modem to download data and messages" and not the more complex system of e-mail processing and routing that is described in the patents under review.

U.S. patent 5,278,955 deals with e-mail processing and cites an article from 1989 by Richard D. Verjinski entitled, "PHASE, a portable host access system environment," published in an IEEE proceedings. The USPTO found Verjinski's article anticipated many NTP patent claims.

Besides the Perkins patent and the Verjinski article, the USPTO found several other prior publications describing techniques claimed in NTP patents, including a RIM patent and documents published by Norwegian Telecommunications in 1986 and 1989. For many of the NTP patent claims it now proposes to reject the USPTO cites multiple prior disclosures.

Until recent years U.S. patent applications were not published. NTP inventors would have been unable to learn about the Perkins patent application when they applied for the first three of the eight patents now being reexamined. However, the Verjinski article was published before any NTP patent application, and the Perkins patent had been published before applications for the last five NTP patents were filed.

The USPTO has assembled substantial evidence that critical NTP patent claims are invalid. Despite persistent attempts by RIM to intervene in the reexaminations, the USPTO has generally built its own cases without accepting arguments advanced by RIM. So far the USPTO has not explained why the NTP claims now being rejected were instead accepted when the NTP patent applications were originally examined.

NTP has made some adjustments in response to the USPTO findings but is attempting to justify and maintain most if not all of its claims. If the USPTO follows through with final actions rejecting any claims not conceded or adjusted by NTP, NTP has available to it both administrative and court appeals, likely to take many years.

While it would be difficult for anyone but a patent attorney to assess the depth of the flaws in NTP claims currently identified by the USPTO, the breadth and detail of the USPTO findings are apparent. Through events mostly outside its control, RIM has exited the year 2005 in a stronger position than it entered. Now NTP is under attack, and NTP will need to defend its interests more effectively than before.

--Craig Bolon 20:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

posted from a BlackBerry
Yes indeed, this message was posted from my Blackberry (model 7105). 216.9.250.61 04:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC) a.k.a. Bobak

Problems Section
Anyone have any citations for the "BlackBerry Thumb" paragraph in the Problems section? Sounds like clap-trap to me --Lucanos 03:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

BES/Domino on a MSCS cluster?
Is anyone out there running BES on a MSCS-based cluster for HA from a hardware perspective? I know BES is not cluster-aware, but if you alias the VIP of the cluster and SAN-mount the BES/Domino/SQL bits as single-instance installs refencing the alias I would think this should work. Anyone?

We're looking at going down the Doubletake road from NSI Software as a partner in our clustering initiative for the BBs, so if anyone has any insights about them/product that would be great too.

--BartL 16:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Keyboard
The 7100 series models feature a reduced-key keyboard and use SureType technology to allow each key to represent multiple letters, numbers, and symbols. klalkaslaslslskj - WHAT IS THIS???

Delete this part?
"In FOX's animated political satire American Dad!, Steve picks up a BlackBerry after Dick Cheney was shocked many times. Steve starts to prank all countries which leads them into a small trouble."

I'm confused - this looks like gibberish. T. J. Day 06:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Not Wifi compatible?
"BlackBerry devices still depend on mobile phone service coverage and are not Wi-Fi compatible unlike similar handheld devices that are on the market now.", see: http://www.blackberry.com/products/blackberry7200/blackberry7270.shtml - it is a pure Wifi blackberry that uses SIP for Wifi phone calls. MrMabs 13:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

This is no longer true, given the 8820 development —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.113.112 (talk) 09:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The Pearl 8120 is also WiFi compatible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.172.73 (talk) 12:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

"External links" section needs work
The subheadings for the "External links" section need work. --Whiteknox 20:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) I think that "Corporations" should be substituted for "Corporate."
 * 2) Under the "Other" section, several of the descriptions sound like advertisements instead of like an encyclopedia; see in particular the "SmartphonesTalk.com" and "PinStack.com" links.
 * 3) For "BlackberryCool", should the sub-site mentioned in the description be made into another link that is indented from the first?

Is this justified?
"text messages" in the following line was added today by a user who was not logged in. I don't think it is entirely justified:
 * The ease of keying in and sending not only e-mails, but mobile "short messages"/text messages

--Whiteknox 19:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * To avoid all doubt just take that whole "mobile "short messages"/text messages" part out and write SMS 81.158.230.248 (talk) 15:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

redirect
shouldnt it go to Blackberry (disambiguation) ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.134.188.14 (talk) 14:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia for BlackBerry?
Cool article. Maybe off article, but is anyone out there creating Wikipedia software or an interface for BlackBerry? I would love to be able to catch changes to articles as I drive. CreativeLogic 22:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia for cell phones is Wapedia. I don't know how current it is with Wikipedia; you can check, there may be a lagtime. Softlavender (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Word choice in opening paragraph
The original BlackBerry device had a monochrome display, but all prevalent models have color displays. I think this author may have meant most subsequent or possibly all the most popular rather than all prevalent

Technical info
It seems to me this article lack compeltely of technical information. For example there is no mention on how the BB network or their push technology works. I am not sure the protocol specification is public domain or reserved, but I suppose a bit of technical information is available anyway. Unfortunately I do not have that much experience in the field, but maybe there is someone here expert in wireless communication that can improve this article. Luca Mauri 06:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

-- Technical Support —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.158.202.66 (talk) 16:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Popular Culture section
The "in Popular Culture" section of this article seems a bit long, and contains numerous grammatical errors and unsourced statement. Posting here before hacking it down or removing it entirely. Ryanjunk 16:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The bit about BlackBerrys still being mostly unknown outside USA should be made somewhere on the page tho. This is "common-knowledege", difficult to source.
 * There was nothing of use there, so I removed it today. But if somebody thinks it's absolutely essential that this article include mention that Hillary Duff has been seen with one, please make your protest known now. -- MisterHand 19:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Redberry
Now that RIM has been granted access to China, do you believe that something should be mentioned about how a Chinese company was originally selling Redberry's. This was a method of protectionism to establish a domestic company before the foreign one entered? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060411.wredberry11/BNStory/Business/home Canking 15:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticism
How is a touchscreen significant?

Agreed. This section appears to be written by an avid WinMo fanboi. In addition the mention of a "simpler interface without many options" is incorrect. Enter the BB options menu, for example... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.172.73 (talk) 12:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I find the entire Criticism section a waste. The entire section is nothing but opinions, no facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.160.82 (talk) 00:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yep. I torched it down to just the facts and renamed the section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.139.54 (talk) 02:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Non-QWERTY?
How is the 7100 series NON-QWERTY? It has a QWERTY keypad, although a reduced version. [P.S- SureType is not difficult to use.] --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly, I've changed the article to reflect that the 7100 and 8100 series are QWERTY.--Hazel77 (talk) 17:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

it is RIM not RIMM
someone please correct the mistake. research in motion's abbreviation is RIM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.9.100 (talk) 00:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * RIM is the correct abbreviation for Research in Motion. RIMM is their NASDAQ symbol. If you look at any of the Research in Motion press releases they list themselves as "Research In Motion Limited (RIM)(NASDAQ:RIMM)(TSX:RIM)" I suggest that the first referrence should be listed as such and all remaining referrences listed simply as RIM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.160.82 (talk) 07:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

URGENT!!!!!!! BlackBerry Outage!!!!!
Well, there have/has been a service outage for Blackberrys in North America!!!!! This is very urgent!!!!!

CNN: link Fox news: link Fox Business: link MSNBC: link CNBC: link ABC news: link CBS news: link CBC News: link

Please edit the article at first sight! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryansworld100000 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Phones with BlackBerry e-mail client
Is this list really useful to the article? The blackberry connect software is able to run on lots of different mobile devices from what I gather. Would it be better to just remove the list and just say something like this: ''RIM have released a software version of BlackBerry called BlackBerry Connect, this enables other mobile devices to connect to BlackBerry servers and gain BlackBerry type functionality. Phones supporting this functionality are available from a number of manufactureres including Nokia, HTC, QTek, Samsung, Siemens and Sony Ericsson (per http://www.rim.com/products/connect/index.shtml ). Most supporting phones have a QWERTY type keyboard.'' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordwizz (talk • contribs) 00:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Industry Leader??
Im removing this section since its a clear violation of NPOV, it sure be either backed by some reserch who says they really are industry leaders or refrased in a neutral manner (from criticism section):

"A major reason for there being no initial support of 3G (UMTS/HSPA) by RIM is the requirement for high power consumption by devices operating on 3G networks. RIM is an industry leader when it comes to battery life and although there are 3G BlackBerry devices coming in 2008, allowing for extra time to bring them to market was reportedly to ensure new devices perform well from a power consumption/battery performance perspective."Kezorm (talk) 13:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Case-sensitivity in article name
This information at the top of the Blackberry page confused me for a while:
 * This article is about the fruit. For mobile telephone/email device, see BlackBerry.

That there is an extra loop on a glyph at mid-word was not apparent to me for quite some time. I am not a computer. I don't tend to read recognizable words in a mode that interprets such a minor nuance as significant enough to change the entire meaning of the word.

It matches BlackBerry's trademark to make the distinction, but it confuses the casual reader of an encyclopedia.

I suggest changing the name of this article to include some parenthetical clarification, keeping the capitalization of the second "B". Perhaps something like the following: -Ac44ck (talk) 04:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BlackBerry (mobile device)
 * And redirecting "BlackBerry" to "Blackberry (disambiguation)" as suggested in comment #21 on this talk page by 202.134.188.14 at 14:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * -Ac44ck (talk) 04:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

i say again, if you invent something, you get to decide how to and what to name it and how to spell it. blackberry DOES NOT refer to a phone. that's a BlackBerry. if you look me up in the phone book under "davey" you will never find me. however, if you look under "davie", there i am. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.143.189 (talk • contribs) 10:18, 22 September 2009


 * Perhaps, but here on Wikipedia we have our own rules as to how we write about things you invent. Those rules are not particularly friendly towards unusual capitalization, circle-R/TM, etc.  But as it happens, Manual of Style (trademarks) is ambivalent about this particular form, saying:
 * Trademarks in CamelCase are a judgment call. CamelCase may be used where it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable:
 * OxyContin or Oxycontin—editor's choice
 * In general, the goal is to make the article and the encyclopedia easier to use and understand, rather than to appease the trademark holder. RossPatterson (talk) 16:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Not a Two-way Radio
Although it resembles a walkie-talkie, the PTT (Push To Talk) feature on some networks is more like a short phone call. One user enters a special access code or selects it from a directory list, and then signals or talks to the other person while a button is pushed; listens while it's released. The difference is that it works over the wireless phone network and is not dependent on the range between users.Landroo (talk) 15:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * What is the point of this?? It has nothing to do with the BlackBerry itself. The device is simply using the technology of the ISP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.195.230.36 (talk) 20:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It is a feature available on some Blackberrys Landroo (talk) 17:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Privacy and encryption
RIM and the Indian government have come to an agreement that will allow the IG to read encrypted data on the network. I am new to this and am still practicing editing. So I am throwing this out see if anyone agrees this information should be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.214.130 (talk) 06:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Usage of Blackberry around the world?
I mostly ever hear of BlackBerry when reading American interviews, suggesting RIM doesn't have marketshare outside America. Do we have any research to expand on this gutfeeling? 13:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)~


 * Plenty of market share outside NA. DJ Clayworth (talk) 17:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

John McCain probably had nothing to do with it.
So what's with the "created by John McCain" stuff? 204.52.215.14 (talk) 17:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

One of his campaign advisors more or less said that John McCain invented the Blackberry http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/16/mccain.blackberry/index.html?eref=rss_latest 75.58.39.53 (talk) 20:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Protection
I've just protected this against new users to protect against a wave of vandalism. For those of you confused it seems that some John McCain staffer held up his Blackberry and said "John McCain helped invent this". Or something. DJ Clayworth (talk) 17:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, let's see if the fuss has died down. DJ Clayworth (talk) 13:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Alternatives?
Not really sure about this section, it's just a list of software which allows push email on other phones; They aren't particularly relevant to the article.--Hazel77 talk 21:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it should go. DJ Clayworth (talk) 21:43, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. I've removed it. While I'm at it I think I might re-do the "Social implications" section as it currently reads like a research essay.--Hazel77 talk 12:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

userbox
Is there a blackberry user userbox for a wikipedia profile? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I have looked and sadly not found one. Pattimcletchie (talk) 04:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

"Controversy" section
This section about "controversy" wasn't very well written and entirely unsourced, but may have potential so I'm including it here in case anyone wants to source and re-insert the claims. The threat by the Indian government at least was true:
 * ''French and german secret services advise not to use BlackBerries for classified information as it is suspected that communication can be intercepted.
 * In 2008 the Indian government threatened to ban the BlackBerry unless it would be able to listen in on all communication. It was suggested that RIM place one of their NOCs on Indian territory to help make this possible.
 * It's not clear what exactly was done, but the Indian government at some point declared it was able to intercept and decrypt Blackberry communication.

--Saforrest (talk) 14:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

A couple of sources: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/blackberry_givi_1.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/27/indian_gov_blackberry_blackball/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/02/rim_blackberry_india_intercept/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/07/dutch_mps_warned/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/21/blackberry_tool_of_nsa_say_sarko_spooks/ in german: http://www.berlecon.de/research/spotlights.php?we_objectID=250 in dutch: http://www.zdnet.be/news/69612/rim-verbaasd-over-frans-blackberry-verbod/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.144.225.24 (talk) 11:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion
The BlackBerry Internet Service article is not large enough to warrant being a separate article. The Supporting software section could be cleaned up to have a smaller section on the BES as it already has its own article, then expand the desktop redirector explaination making this section of the article neater and more informative. andyzweb (talk) 01:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Move "RIM patent infringement litigation" section to RIM article
I suggest to move the "RIM patent infringement litigation" section to Research in Motion. The litigation should maybe be mentioned in a sentence or two, but in my view it makes much more sense to deal with this in the article about the company. --SmilingBoy (talk) 22:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Storm 2 Release date
The storm 2 currently states that its release date is October 2009. The article it links merely states that it is assumed to be October ... I thought wikipedia was supposed to be about facts, not assumptions! As there currently is no official source for a release date, I think this should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.30.113 (talk) 05:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Blackberry Messenger
The Blackberry Messenger section lists this feature as "newer". Since it's now a standard feature that's been available for several years, I think the wording should be altered to reflect this. Voice99 (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

no criticism?
There is criticism sections on Wiki for other large tech companies like Apple but none here for BlackBerry. We should include a section on widespread criticism on this product. AnwarSadatFan (talk) 02:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Were the Blackberry stores called "Blackberry service centers"?
I see a small snippet about the "Blackberry stores" in this article. Is that what they were officially called? or were they called "BlackBerry service centres"???? The reason I ask is because Blackberry has just opened their first service centre in the Caribbean (in Barbados). It is within a Digicel megastore. (quote) On Wednesday night, the company(Digicel) officially opened the doors to its new megastore and the first Blackberry service centre in the Caribbean, at Norman Centre in The City.[. . . ] "It is safe to say that the new store and the Blackberry service centre is decked out in the best class, a retail store with a dedicated service centre for Blackberrys," he noted.
 * Digicel opens megastore

O'Brien said the idea for the Blackberry centre came after queries and prodding from customers that there should be one central location to get answers and have their problems solved in a timely manner.

"So we put our heads to the task and we were wondering where we could have it, but now we not only have the centre, but two professional technicians, so you are free to walk-in and have all your Blackberry queries answered and dealt with in a timely manner," he said to loud applause from those gathered. [ . . .] Minister of the Environment, Water Resource and Drainage Dr Denis Lowe: "Digicel hasn't done that, and now with the centre set up for Blackberry, even visitors to the island can get their phones sorted out if a problem should occur. Anyone who has a Blackberry knows that when something goes wrong, it is major headache to the owner, but this new megastore will combat all that," he noted. (/end quote) CaribDigita (talk) 23:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

First model
An image of the first model would be useful, with the keyboard, and thumbwheel evident. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 08:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Dangleberries
In the UK they are also called dangleberries. 78.151.245.221 (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Connectors
As I understand it the various Blackberry models uses different power/data connectors. However most cables or AC chargers on sale do not distinguish which models have which connectors, so perhaps it would be handy for the Wiki Blackberry page to add details of the data/power connector used in each model?

--Quatermass (talk) 15:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Here is a list I've made to help:


 * BlackBerry Pearl 3G	Micro-USB.
 * BlackBerry Pearl 8100 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry Pearl 8220	Micro-USB.
 * BlackBerry Pearl Flip	Micro-USB.


 * BlackBerry Curve 3G	Micro-USB.
 * BlackBerry Curve 8500 Series	Micro-USB.
 * BlackBerry Curve 8900 Series	Micro-USB.
 * BlackBerry Curve 9300 Series	Mini-USB.


 * BlackBerry Storm 9500 Series	Micro-USB.
 * BlackBerry Storm2 9500 Series	Micro-USB.


 * BlackBerry 5800 Series	Proprietary.
 * BlackBerry 6200 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 6500 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 6700 Series	Proprietary.
 * BlackBerry 7100 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 7200 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 7500 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 7700 Series	Proprietary.
 * BlackBerry 8100 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 8300 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 8700 Series	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 8800 Series 	Mini-USB.


 * BlackBerry 8900 Bold	Base Cradle?
 * BlackBerry 9000 Bold	Mini-USB.
 * BlackBerry 9700 Bold	Micro-USB.


 * BlackBerry 9800 Torch	Micro-USB.


 * BlackBerry Tour 9600	Micro-USB.


 * BlackBerry Style 9670	Micro-USB.

--Quatermass (talk) 19:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

BlackBerry eavesdropping reversed
Regarding "Indian authorities have asked Research in Motion (RIM), the Canadian manufacturer of BlackBerry to provide them some means to access the encrypted data for calls to, from or within India, "

This has been reversed. Source: Security Now, episode 273, 24 min 17 secs. It itself has a reference/source. --Mortense (talk) 22:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear. RIM should not be giving into totalitarian regimes like those in the UAE, Pakistan, Iran, etc that are worried about not being able to eavesdrop on their citizens. RIM should just not offer devices in those shitty markets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.71.102.238 (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Advertising
Is it me or does that large introductory paragraph read like a poorly disguised advert?--62.252.10.14 (talk) 05:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

This article is kinda confusing.
Okay, so according to BlackBerry.com they have "the Bold, the Curve, the Pearl, the Storm, the Style, the Torch, and the Tour." What are the difference between these models? Is one "more corporate" than others? Is one more of a "media player" brand then others???

Take for example the Sony Ericsson article which explains the main product line differences. Does BlackBerry have any sort of method to their product line too or do they just hand out names randomly to their phones? CaribDigita (talk) 23:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Article needs to be rewritten
This article needs to be rewritten. it says that the recent blackberry device is the blackberry storm. The actual new device is the blackberry torch Tj1224 (talk) 22:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

POV creep
is it just or is this article starting to creep towards marking material for the blackberry? also i dont know if anyone has suggested it before, but why not put the PIN example as AABBCCDD or somethign similar? that should prevent people from posting their own PINs per WP:NOTFACEBOOK kthxbai Keastes knowthyself 21:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:BlackBerry (company) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 10:29, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Move discussion over - chosen not to move BlackBerry (company) to replace this page, see Talk:BlackBerry (company) for more information. MThinkCpp (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Latin America and the Caribbean
"In 2011 the Caribbean and Latin America had the highest penetrations of BlackBerry smartphones worldwide, with up to about 45 per cent in the region having a BlackBerry device."

This cannot be right as I don't think 45% of the total population of these regions has blackberries (let alone a mobile phone.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 21:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

NIST - ?
What is NIST? Acronyms, especially obscure ones, should be explained at first (in this case, only) use. We can expect the general reader to know UN and USA, and maybe NASA and possibly NSA, but what-ever this is needs defining - it isn't even blue-linked. 211.225.34.161 (talk) 13:19, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

BIS on OS10 devices
No mention that the Z10, Q10, and other devices running BB OS 10 don't support BIS? -- 24.212.139.20 (talk) 15:20, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Invalid use of References section
I have removed three External links that were disguised as References in this article. They were unnecessary and I firmly believe it was an attempt to sneak those URLs into Wikipedia, as they would be called out immediately if they were placed in either the body of the article or the EL section. If anyone believes otherwise, please add to this discussion so the issue can be resolved. Thanks. --Soulparadox (talk) 12:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)