Talk:Black Allan (horse)

Discussion
I've edited too much on this article to do the review, but I'll try to help you get it there. Montanabw (talk) 01:09, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll appreciate any help. I'm going to look on Google books and see if I can find more sources. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 01:14, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hathi trust is a gold mine if you can access it. That Walkers West site seems pretty good too.  Here's what I found while photo hunting.   Montanabw (talk)  02:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

(Pretty short pieces, but can be stronger sources to verify iffy ones)
 * http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89031311962;view=1up;seq=136 Ensminger was the best RS of his time, not much, but it's solid (also a photo of Go Boy's Shadow)
 * http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015069793175;view=1up;seq=312 Margaret Caball Self
 * http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924000436281;view=1up;seq=140 -- this one has some very good bits on breed origins
 * http://www.twhbea.com/voice/Features/Wartrace.htm this looks pretty solid
 * http://www.walkerswest.com/Champs/AllenF1.htm Walkers West, you probably already considered this
 * http://www.westwoodfarms.net/reference/allan.html extensive quotes from this book (looks like a good one): //www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QU04OA/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=westwoodfarms-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B001QU04OA (and is a $100 book, but available via ILL perhaps:
 * http://cemwalkinranch.com/history.htm?user=Cemwalkinranch FWIW


 * Thanks for finding those, I have used Walkers West (excellent site), and the TWHBEA one. I haven't written an article yet for Go Boy's Shadow, although I think he and Haynes Peacock both could use articles since they were both two-time winners.  White Arabian Filly  Neigh 15:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as the chart goes, always easier to find photos if they will be used more often! I wonder if Hathi Trust or someplace has old magazines digitized (or if a library in your area has back issues of old breed magazines); if any of these images were used in a magazine ad during the horse's life, and prior to 1978, they are probably US-copyright-not-renewed and thus public domain. I can find images easily enough, it's doing a fair use rationale for every single one that's a pain; public domain is much easier.   Montanabw (talk)  01:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have started both of them in userspace drafts. I can access Hathi, but the local library is very small and is scaling down because everybody is into iPads and Nooks and Kindles now. I think I read every horse book in there by the time I was 13 anyway. 😉 I think they have a big supply of old breed magazines and Celebration yearbooks in the Tennessee Walking Horse National Museum; if I ever got to go there I'd probably end up being there all day. I would like to see if the old guy who taught me would be in their archives somewhere, because he won one of the junior stakes years ago at the Celebration. When I was learning from him he still had the horse he won on, I think the horse was in his teens at the time and was still showing. However, on the museum's website, they said they are hoping to scan some of their stuff and get it online soon, so that would be a real gold mine for pictures and info! Thanks for adding the pictures too. I can't lift them with the phone for some stupid reason. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 01:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I bet even a local library can do Inter-library loan, though... I know my local one can! I can relate to getting lost in a museum; if I ever get to the Kentucky Horse Park, I might not emerge for a month!  LOL!   Montanabw (talk)  06:31, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Black Allan redux
Right above Black Allan's infobox photo it says Black Allan. We do not need to repeat that below the image, especially in light of Manual of Style/Captions.

Portals are the convenience of article readers (they never see talk pages). Cheers! 14:41, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * If you really want to add Portal Horses to about 4000 articles tagged for Wikiproject Equine, be my guest. We have it on the talk page template so we avoid that necessity.  There is clear reason at the MOS to add the name ("Cosby in 2010" being the example there).   Montanabw (talk)  23:22, 26 March 2016 (UTC)