Talk:Black Metal (Venom album)

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This album seems to have a lot of versions (at least, I THINK), that should probably be mentioned. --Eel 23:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

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Genre
Can we please STOP referring to them as a black metal band? Yes, their style, lyrics and stage presence would prove influential to generations of black metal bands, but they are NOT black metal. They're speed metal. End of. Cacodyl 21:04, 13 June 2008 (GMT)


 * --Nappinenä (talk) 15:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

This album IS black metal... people only like to say its not because its not as extreme as modern standards. you might as well then say death and possessed arent death metal... It was even called black metal when the album came out and has been still for a very long time. the genre on this page was always listed as black metal in the first place, just because some people dont think its black metal just because its not as 'extreme' enough as new black metal bands, doesnt give you the upper hand to decide what the genre is. End of! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.251.139 (talk) 00:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

If there's something seminal to this album, that is its prominence as the initiating work of the Black Metal genre. Even the current that continued this work adopted the album's name as theirs. Another, earlier discussion in Wikipedia resulted in Venom's Black Metal classification as FIRST-WAVE BLACK METAL. ( Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal#The_First_Wave ) And those major sources Wikipedia editors so often quote (such as Rolling Stone and All Music Guide) define one of the styles in this album as Black Metal. (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:2sl67ub0h0jg) The fact that this album starts the first-wave would subjectively put it at disadvantage against modern black metal works by black metal's modern standards, but as objective as Wikipedia is, its historical relevance should not be ignored in here, and this, summed up to its early context -the black metal scene's emergence- gives it a place in the genre, regardless of whether it also classifies as THRASH metal and speed metal. The opera prima of a genre is what it is, regardless of whether some desire or not to recognize what new traits innovation brings. Don't try to swim against the current when it comes to quoting a well-defined cultural classification. AFOH 05:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by AFOH (talk • contribs)