Talk:Black Mountains, United Kingdom

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I've done some tidying up of this article and redfined the area, as the previous definition excluded those hills to the west of the A479 - though they were listed elsewhere in the article. I've removed Graig Syfyrddin from the list too as it is many miles away from the Black Mountains and has never been considered a part of the range. More work is required yet tidying up the attractions section and adding some references to the geology, to the rivers and their valleys which give character to this range. Geopersona (talk) 06:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You are so right, especially on the geology. I have been working at the Torridon Hills to add interest to these amazing mountains. Had Murchison worked on the Black mountains? Peterlewis (talk) 21:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not aware that Murchison did work here - he tends to be associated with the sorting out of the Silurian and Ordovician in Wales but I'm sure he was familar with this Devonian massif too. Geopersona (talk) 06:27, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Extent of the Black Mountains
It would be good to have some references on which to build as regards the extent of the hills known as the Black Mountains - I feel uneasy about the inclusion of hills such as Myarth and, perhaps to a lesser extent, Ysgyryd Fawr which share their geology with the main range but which are nevertheless geographically isolated from it. Anyone clear this up? Geopersona (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Geograph links
I've removed these external links to Geograph pages:             

They didn't seem to add to the article, at least not where they were. They're not references. If the photos are considered particularly noteworthy (which contention I wouldn't agree with) then they should be included in the article, or, better, included in the appropriate articles linked to. StephenDawson (talk) 20:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Quote from Raymond Williams
I've amended the quote from Williams to reflect what I see on the printed page of the book referred to. It is of course possible that he said the same thing in slightly different guises on different occasions. Equally that others have paraphrased him. Geopersona (talk) 14:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Cader v Cadair
Are we sure that 'Cader' is 'anglicised' and not just local dialect? The 'ai' sound can become 'e' in some parts of Wales...not anglicisation but local Welsh language pronounciation. Richnos98 (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Name
The Ordnance Survey render the Welsh name of this range as Y Mynyddoedd Duon - a correct translation into Welsh of the standard modern English name but not actually the traditional Welsh name. Welsh speakers normally prefer to use the singular form Y Mynydd Du - see for example the version of this article on Welsh Wikipedia, and the partial explanation within this article itself. The older singular name lives on in the name of the forest at the heart of this range, again the singular Mynydd Du Forest. There's a brief discussion of the matter on p34 of the Dictionary of Place-names of Wales by Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan published by Gomer press. cheers Geopersona (talk) 20:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have had to re-insert the referenced traditional Cymraeg name of this range after my previous edit inserting it was supposedly 'corrected' by another editor. If anyone disagrees please bring the conversation to this talk page and outline why respected Welsh place-name experts are wrong - and indeed why members of the professional body, the 'Association of Welsh Translators and Interpreters' working in this area are wrong. thanks  Geopersona (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2022 (UTC)