Talk:Black Museum (Black Mirror)

Something to look for a source...
Something that we visually can see but can't include until we have a source that affirms the show reached out to him, is that 15M comic cover was one done by artist Butcher Billy last year,. --M asem (t) 03:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe the artist confirmed that on Twitter. -- Radiphus  03:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

New Easter Egg
I noticed that Carrie complains about Jack reading its comic too slowely, and that he justifies it by the fact it is a graphic novel. I think his is a reference to a previous role of Alexandra Roach (actress of Carrie) in the Utopia series. In fact, the manuscript of a graphic novel is very important in the plot of this series. How could I justify it with references ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clapetish (talk • contribs) 18:10, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You need to find a reliable source (like a newspaper or magazine) that explicitly makes this connection. As a concern, the "comic" vs "graphic novel" argument is potential from many different sources, so this likely seems like a stretch. --M asem  (t) 18:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Source of Pain Addict
Just wanted to note that Pain Addict was previously published in a booklet that came with Penn & Teller's Cruel Tricks for Dear Friends: A small little paper anthology titled WOULD COULD SHOULD: The Science Fiction Anthology 1988, story under the authorship of Valda Peach, which I guess is a fake name made up for the anthology. The Production section makes it sound to me as if Penn had failed to publish the story until it was used in Black Mirror.

I don't know if the heavy.com article says anything about this because every time I try to open the link the site is so heavy on CPU usage that it locks up my display manager. --Stackguy (talk) 22:02, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, this is curious. The heavy.com article (here for anyone that can access the site) does in fact say overtly that Pain Addict was previously unpublished. The relevant part is this:
 * "Penn’s Pain Addict story was never published, so you can't purchase the original version."
 * Do you have a source about the WOULD COULD SHOULD story, linking it to Black Mirror? I'm willing to believe that Heavy could be mistaken here, but we'd need a secondary source to mention the booklet in the article. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 00:43, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I could only find conversation about it around the internet that probably doesn't meet standards for reference.
 * Twitter - Penn seeming to confirm it on Twitter (most hopeful?)
 * Reddit - This is from a very obscure book within a book from 1992. *For the first time ever on the Internet,* here is the original short story by Penn Jillette on which the “Pain Addict” segment of the episode “Black Museum” of the series “Black Mirror” is based. ...
 * Would, Could, Should: The Science Fiction Society Anthology 1988 @ The Internet Speculative Fiction Database (unfortunately nothing here about Penn & Teller authorship) --Stackguy (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the latter two are not reliable sources for this information, but since there are no other sources (at least not that I can find), the Tweet looks like it will do for stating that the story has been published before. Feel free to add it to the article (or I'll do so myself in a little bit if you haven't got around to it). — Bilorv(c)(talk) 13:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Done in this edit. It would be good to find better sourcing but it may be that none exists. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 16:45, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Negative Critical Reception
How are we justifying that the episode was received negatively? In what universe is 75% on RT considered 'negative'?189.217.89.39 (talk) 16:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This comment isn't a summary of Rotten Tomatoes, which isn't an objective rating, and differs from Wikipedia's purpose in several ways: it is unable to take into account gradation as it marks each review as a binary "positive" or "negative"; and it has slightly lower standards than Wikipedia in what is counted as a "reliable" source. The reception is negative here because it was reviewed poorly on rankings lists and was criticised for lack of cohesion between the stories and a bad ending, though there are some counterbalancing positives. (This isn't my personal opinion, by the way—I love the episode.) In addition, we have a source that directly says that the episode was mostly negatively received (and they argue this is because the racial themes are overlooked by the mostly white reviewers). — Bilorv ( talk ) 20:12, 15 November 2021 (UTC)