Talk:Black Swan (song)

Requested move 14 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:05, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Black Swan (BTS song) → Black Swan (song) – WP:SONGDAB - only song with this name that has an article. ⓋᎯ☧ǿᖇǥ@ℤε💬 11:32, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943  (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * As seen below (comments earlier than this comment's following timestamp), this request already had a few comments declaring it controversial. However, I will be participating in this discussion... Steel1943  (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The BTS song may be the only one that has an article, but Black Swan (song) redirects to Black swan (disambiguation) where 7 songs are listed in accordance with MOS:DABMENTION. How likely is it that a person looking for an article about a song called "Black Swan" is looking for the BTS song? Which guideline takes precedence? It it not immediately obvious and therefore imho this is not a purely technical move. It is probably best discussed at e.g. Redirects for discussion or Requested moves. --kingboyk (talk) 15:38, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I concur with above. I'm looking through the "Black Swan" songs and, with none of them standing out, I'm not sure we have a primary topic, so my preference would be to see this discussed on the talk page of either of the dab page or the proposed target, with notifications to each of the appropriate "Black Swan" talk pages. RfD is probably not equipped to decide on which is the primary topic (if any). Doug Mehus  T · C  16:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:SONGDAB ... which states that this move should occur, and its current wording was the result of an RfC. Steel1943  (talk) 18:28, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, only one song with an article exists. A hat note to the disambiguation article should suffice. Alex (talk) 22:53, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per culture, books and common sense I know that song editors don't want the names of artists on songs, I know that song editors had that RfC. However in some cases common sense rather than the Law should be applied. click here and see why. The Korean-language song doesn't even include the term "black swan" in the lyrics. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:22, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Your argument is otherwise valid, but the fact that "black swan" is never mentioned in the lyrics is irrelevant when it's the title of the song. I mean, the titular phrase isn't uttered once in "Bohemian Rhapsody" yet it's still an obvious primary topic...ⓋᎯ☧ǿᖇǥ@ℤε💬 10:21, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support since it is the only "Black Swan" song with an article. A hat note to the disambiguation article should be helpful for anyone looking for other "Black Swan" songs. Aoba47 (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


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did you click here as asked? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Black Swan surpassed Adele's iTunes record
Will we be adding this somewhere in the prose of the article? While single vendors are not included in Chart sections, allowance is made for including their mention in the body of an article if a significant record is set or broken on a particular platform. Black Swan broke the record for most itunes #1's with 103 (then soon after 104), surpassing the record previously held by Adele with 102. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 9 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. (non-admin closure)  Vpab15 (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Black Swan (song) → Black Swan (BTS song) – "Black Swan (song)" is ambigous. It can refer to other Black Swan songs. Black Swan by BTS isn't the only black swan song. Also, users who are looking up "Black Swan (song)" may be looking for something else. For proof, see Black Swan (disambiguation). Seventyfiveyears (talk) 20:33, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943  (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ping nominator. Steel1943  (talk) 22:18, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:SONGDAB since this is the only song subject with an article. Also, see . Steel1943  (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above, none of the other songs have an article so further disambiguation is not necessary at this point. Alex (talk) 22:21, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We also have "Black Swan" song redirects like Black Swan (Greg Dulli song), Black Swan (Thom Yorke song), etc. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 22:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but those are redirects to another article, they are not articles. This one is. Plus, out of the seven other songs listed at Black Swan (disambiguation), four of those redirects were only created a few hours ago, by you. Alex (talk) 23:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I had to make those redirects because when I searched them up, they didn't redirect to their primary page. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 23:46, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose, unneeded at this moment. Once any of these songs stops being a tracklist entry we can discuss it. © Tb hotch ™ 23:32, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Neutral. First WP:SONGDAB is wrong. It is a local consensus of pop song editors against WP:TITLE. SONGDAB takes the view that we disambiguate by articles not content, which we don't, although some editors believe that we do. It's a handy rule for pop songs, because pop songs generally exist as standalone articles, but WP:SONGDAB does not apply when a song is part of a musical, where a number in a musical may be exponentially more notable than a pop song standalone. In this particular case though the sole number from Menotti's opera Black Swan (The Medium) / Black Swan (Menotti) can be served by redirects. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:21, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose as the only song at this title with an article. kennethaw88 • talk 04:06, 15 September 2020 (UTC)


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Black Swan #6 on Insider's 30 best songs of 2020 list
Just leaving the link here in case it's appropriate to be added under the Accolades section maybe. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's also #5 on Buzzfeed's 35 K-pop songs that defined 2020 list, but I'm unsure if this would be an okay listicle to mention since BF is a mixed bag for some. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:37, 2 January 2021 (UTC)