Talk:Black Swan (song)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 05:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Have already explained that this article may take a while to review, will begin today though. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

 * Can you find any source to add a recording date to the infobox?
 * , I don't think so, the least I could find is an interview with one of the songwriters August Rigo where he stated when he found out the song was going to be on the album.-- Ashley yoursmile!  08:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , can this be loosely used as a source for the recording date? This is the interview I was talking of initially. -- Ashley yoursmile!  08:20, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No, as Forbes is known to be unreliable. --Kyle Peake (talk) 09:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Are you sure Pdogg and RM weren't credited under their real names as songwriters?
 * , credits on South Korea's largest music platform Melon here cite them as Pdogg and RM, however like you said, Korea Music Copyright Association (KOMCA) credits writers using their formal rather than stage names. So should I change to their real names in the infobox keeping the lead fixed?
 * No, keep as stage names in this case. Also can you sign off posts like this please, it makes real easier for reading? --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ And sorry, I will keep that in mind. -- Ashley yoursmile!  08:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Change the music video template to using the header Music videos; see "Violent Crimes" for an example of changing the header✅
 * Just noticed, you still need to cite the single template for the music videos though. --Kyle Peake (talk)

11:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * if it is required to cite just one video in the infobox, should the art film be included or the music video? -- Ashley yoursmile!  12:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry that was unspecific, I meant cite both but use the template for singles as in the music release type. --Kyle Peake (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Changed from song to single template. -- Ashley yoursmile!  13:11, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


 * "For other songs" → "For other songs of the same title"✅
 * "is a song recorded by" → "is a song by"✅
 * "studio album Map of the Soul: 7" → "studio album, Map of the Soul: 7 (2020)"✅
 * Writing sentence should come as the second one, while release should be third✅
 * "Clyde Kelly and its producer Pdogg" → "Clyde Kelly and Pdogg, with the latter of the five also handling production"✅
 * "Musically, "Black Swan" was described" → "Musically, it was described"✅
 * "It uses lo-fi-style" → "The song uses lo-fi-style"✅
 * Are you sure "catchy hook" is encyclopedic?
 * , should I wikilink catchy to Catchiness or should I just remove the wikilinks and put catchy within quotes?
 * The latter for layout but still target to Catchiness --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC) ✅


 * "confessing as artists the fear" → "confessing, as artists, the fear" to avoid any confusion✅
 * "drawing comparisons to the group's" → "with comparisons being drawn to the band's"✅
 * "received praise from" → "received general praise from" ✅
 * "Commercially, "Black Swan" debuted" → "Commercially, the former debuted"✅
 * "and at number one on the" → "and at number one on the US"✅
 * Change World Digital Songs to World Digital Song Sales✅
 * Are you sure the UK and US chart positions are notable since they weren't top 40? Maybe replace with higher ones like NZ and Scotland or something?
 * , while its not uncommon for an artist to chart in UK and US, its quite rare for acts who sing primarily in Korean so personally I think this should be kept.
 * Yeah, I agree with this context given. --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)✅


 * "in addition to reaching charts" → "in addition to entering record charts" ✅
 * "of an "art film", featuring" → "of an "art film," including" ✅
 * "The song's debut" → "The debut of "Black Swan""✅
 * "was met with positive reception from critics" → "received positive reviews from critics"✅
 * "Following the album release" → "Following the release of Map of the Soul: 7"✅
 * "promoted the single with" → "promoted the song with"✅

Background and release

 * Remove wikilink on BTS✅
 * "and to "enjoy the lives" → "and "enjoy the lives"✅
 * "in their 20s"." → "in their 20s.""✅
 * "announced their return to music" → "announced a return to music"✅
 * Remove wikilink on Map of the Soul: 7✅
 * "on February 21" → "on February 21 of that year"✅
 * "was released on January 8, revealing" → "was released on January 8, 2020, revealing"✅
 * "included multiple dates" → "featured multiple dates"✅
 * "its title and artwork were" → "its title and artwork, were"✅
 * "the first single from the project" → "the first single from Map of the Soul: 7"✅
 * Mention that the release was in "various countries".✅
 * The various countries ref should be cited here instead of the solely US one; I am talking about the one currently in Release history✅
 * "Clyde Kelly and Pdogg" → "Clyde Kelly, and Pdogg"✅
 * Remove target on produced✅
 * "Pdogg and mixed by" → "Pdogg, while mixed by" with the target fix suggested✅
 * "after the group teased the track" → "after BTS teased the track"✅
 * "from their album" → "from the album"✅
 * "featuring BTS member" → "performed by band member"✅
 * "project, Connect, BTS bringing" → "project, Connect, BTS, bringing"✅
 * "to curate works that" → "for curating works that"✅

Composition and lyrics

 * Would suggest adding timed text to the sample file
 * , Not sure what that means. ✅ -- Ashley yoursmile!  10:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The sample exceeds 10% of the song's length, so re-upload a shorter version
 * , I am not very familiar with handling media files so I'm not sure how to do this myself.-- Ashley yoursmile!  08:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * An external program such as QuickTime Player + VLC would be used to trim the audio files. --Kyle Peake (talk) 08:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC) ✅ Could you check if the caption reads right? -- Ashley yoursmile!  10:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Change "the group's" to "the band's", target music critics to Music journalism and target trap to Trap music, plus can you mention anything about the composition of this pre-bridge section maybe? --Kyle Peake (talk) 11:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC) ✅ Except none of the sources mention anything specifically about the composition of pre-bridge.
 * This is fine then, just needs subtitles. --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , could you elaborate how the subtitles should be affixed? -- Ashley yoursmile!  17:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Kids See Ghosts (album)/GA1, where I got my advice from on adding subtitles. --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , two quick questions: 1) Should I just need to edit the timed text tab of the File page (the third tab that appears when I click on the name of the audio file) and add the contents of the srt file that I would create? 2) Should the subtitles be added in (i) Hangul or (ii) only translations in English should be included for the entire sample? -- Ashley yoursmile!  18:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, do that for editing and add in English but mention it is a translation. --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:16, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , This could take time. Other than that, I have tried to address all other comments. -- Ashley yoursmile!  19:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look at the guidelines and see if there's anything about languages for audio samples. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: Think you should just put the captions in the language of the song --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Clarification- The sample contains lyrics in Korean and English, so while editing the timed text tab, should like simply proceed by selecting "Korean" as language and press Go? I'm confused as to how the english text will be dealt with though. -- Ashley yoursmile!  07:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , ✅ Just proceeded with it and created the timed text in Korean. Hopefully that should suffice. -- Ashley yoursmile!  08:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The text looks good but needs fixes towards the end --Kyle Peake (talk) 09:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Edited it again just now, but the problem seems to persist with the English lyrics. No idea how to fix that. -- Ashley yoursmile!  10:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems like the issue is that the time is being displayed on the lyrics caption, why is this? --Kyle Peake (talk) 15:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Yes I have noticed that but not sure why that's happening. The text format seems okay to me. Also the problem starts at line 6, if you notice the span of this particular line is 106 milliseconds, so it barely gets any time to flash on the screen. Any thoughts? I think I need help with this issue. -- Ashley yoursmile!  17:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe open TimedText:Reborn.ogg.en.srt, a file of mine that works fine with captions, in edit source view and see if there's anything there missing from yours in terms of presentation/formatting? --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Finally, thank you for all the help. -- Ashley yoursmile!  07:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Expand from "A 30-second sample of "Black Swan."" by adding more info about the part of the song sampled that is written out elsewhere in this section too, using citations to back it up of course ✅
 * [13][14] should both be at the end of the sentence✅
 * Remove wikilink to Instrumental as it's too obvious✅
 * Again, is "catchy hook" really encyclopedic?✅
 * [13][15] should both be at the end of the sentence directly before [16]✅
 * "of D minor, has a" → "of D minor, with a"✅
 * Remove wikilink on beats per minute✅
 * "and is three minutes and eighteen seconds long" → "and has a length of 3:18"✅
 * [19][20] should both be at the end of the sentence✅
 * "The song was released in two versions" → "Two versions were released of the song"✅
 * "an "art film"." → "an "art film.""✅
 * "The art film features" → "The latter features"✅
 * "and "pounding beat" → "and a "pounding beat"✅
 * "Jason Lipshutz, writing for the" → "Jason Lipshutz, writing for"✅
 * "noted the use of heavy" → "noted the heavy usage of"✅
 * "traditional 12-stringed Korean instrument- gayageum" → "the traditional 12-stringed Korean instrument gayageum"✅
 * Target minimalist to Minimal music✅
 * "their voices sound like" → "the voices of the band sound like"✅
 * "Critics have compared it to the group's" → "Critics have compared the song to BTS'"✅
 * Should be Yonhap News Agency instead✅
 * "Black Swan is a continuation of the" → ""Black Swan" continues the"✅
 * "The Korea Times press release" → "The Korea Times's press release"✅
 * "music means to himself"" → "music means to himself,""✅
 * [34][35] should both be at the end of the sentence✅
 * "BTS described the song" → "the band described the song"✅
 * "In this trap ballet,[30] BTS uses" → "In the trap ballet, BTS use"✅
 * [30] should be at the end of the sentence before [37][38]✅
 * "of love for one's craft" → "of love for the craft"✅
 * [31] should come at the sentence after [21], which should both come after [A] at the end too✅

Reception

 * "was met with positive reviews from most music critics" → "was met with generally positive reviews from music critics" ✅
 * Remove targets on trap, drumbeats and strings ✅
 * "and chose the song as an album highlight" → "and chose the song as a highlight of Map of the Soul: 7" ✅
 * "Stereogum's music critic Chris DeVille" → "Stereogum critic Chris DeVille" ✅
 * "that the version of the song accompanying the art film" → "that the version accompanying the art film" ✅
 * Target classical to Classical music ✅
 * "regarded it as BTS'" → "regarded the song as BTS'" ✅
 * "since the group's 2018 song "Fake Love", adding" → "since "Fake Love" in 2018, adding" since we've already introduced it as their single but can re-mention the release year because this is a new section ✅
 * "most raw and unflinching"," → "most raw and unflinching,"" ✅
 * Do not need full identification of what type of magazine IZM is; just keep its name and that of the author ✅
 * ""mature", he rated" → ""mature," he rated" ✅
 * "for theLos Angeles Times, August Brown" → "for the Los Angeles Times, August Brown" ✅
 * "“Black Swan” as "foggy", "arty" and" → ""Black Swan" as "foggy," "arty" and" ✅
 * Target hip-hop to Hip hop music ✅
 * "as "honest and raw", Rhian Daly" → "as "honest and raw," Rhian Daly" ✅
 * Target radio to Airplay ✅
 * "choice", putting "artistry" → "choice," putting "artistry" ✅
 * "of mass appeal"." → "of mass appeal."" ✅
 * "Robin Murray regarded it as" → "Robin Murray regarded the track as" ✅
 * Target E! Online to itself instead as that is what you are supposed to do for redirects ✅
 * "dramatic song yet"." → "dramatic song yet."" ✅
 * "Upon release," → "Initially," ✅
 * "number seven" → "number 7" since MOS:NUM writes about spelling out comparative values ✅
 * "on the chart issue dated January 19-25, 2020" → "for the issue date of January 25, 2020" ✅
 * "reaching number 10" → "ultimately reaching number 10" ✅
 * "of its parent album Map of the Soul: 7" → "of Map of the Soul: 7" ✅
 * Target Gaon Download Chart to Gaon Music Chart ✅
 * "remaining in top five for two" → "remaining in the top five for two" ✅
 * "the eleventh best-performing song of February" → "the 11th best-performing song of the February" ✅
 * Remove Gaon Monthly Digital Chart's target ✅
 * "US Billboard Hot 100 becoming the group's eighth" → "US Billboard Hot 100, becoming BTS' 8th✅
 * "on the chart[48] and ranked" → "on the chart,[48] and ranked at" ✅
 * "debuted atop the Billboard" → "debuted atop the US Billboard" ✅
 * Change the chart to being named as World Digital Song Sales instead ✅
 * "chart on the chart issue dated" → "chart for the issue date of" ✅
 * "eighteenth chart-topper[50] and" → "18th chart-topper,[50] and the song" ✅
 * Target Digital Song Sales to Digital Songs ✅
 * "at number two" → "at number 2" ✅
 * "and number nine on the" → "and number 9 on the" ✅
 * [54][55][56][57][58][59] should not all be crammed together like that, place each one after the chart entry it backs up; "Australia,[54]" for example✅

Art film

 * Img needs alt text ✅
 * On the main text, wikilink art film to itself ✅
 * "An accompanying music video for "Black Swan" was" → "A music video for "Black Swan" was" with the appropriate wikilink ✅
 * "an "art film", featuring" → "an "art film," featuring" ✅
 * "dancer, standing apart from the rest, who" → "dancer standing apart from the rest, who" ✅
 * "The five-minute video showcases" → "The videos runs for five minutes and showcases" ✅
 * "turning into the 'black swan', tries" → "turning into the "black swan", tries" ✅
 * "he is entirely alone" → "the dancer is entirely alone" ✅
 * "by the others while he flaps" → "by the others, alongside him flapping" ✅
 * "Visually, the video explores" → "Visually, the clip explores" to avoid repetition ✅
 * "in the lyrics as reinterpreted" → "in the lyrics, as reinterpreted" ✅
 * I think the info about inspiration belongs before the synopsis ✅
 * Should it be "is inspired" or "was inspired"?✅
 * "called the art-film" → "called the art film" ✅
 * Remove wikilink on Los Angeles Times and change to "Christie D'Zurilla, writing for the Los Angeles Times,..." ✅
 * "video "artsy"." → "visual "artsy."" ✅
 * "Robin Murray deemed it" → "Robin Murray deemed the video" ✅
 * "riveting watch"." → "riveting watch."" ✅
 * "interpretive dance"." → "interpretive dance."" ✅
 * "connected the video" → "connected the music video" ✅

Music video

 * Img needs alt text ✅
 * Wikilink music video to itself on the main text of the img ✅
 * "A second music video" → "A second accompanying music video" ✅
 * "YongSeok Choi and co-directed" → "YongSeok Choi, and co-directed" to specify that Guzza wasn't involved with the other video ✅
 * "and was shot" → "while the video was shot" ✅
 * "on a dark stage" → "on the dark stage" ✅
 * "delivering their verses, surrounded" → "delivering their verses while surrounded" ✅
 * "in a hall of mirrors as he" → "in a hall of mirrors, as he" ✅
 * "of their album" → "of the album" ✅
 * "recurring theme of the album" → "recurring theme of Map of the Soul: 7" ✅
 * Target psychological thriller to Psychological horror and change target to Black Swan (film) to being on only the "of the same name" text ✅
 * "of the same name as well as" → "of the same name, as well as" ✅
 * Add release year of Swan Lake in brackets ✅
 * Change New York magazine to Vulture ✅
 * "called the video "perfect"." → "called the video "perfect."" ✅
 * Remove wikilink on Consequence of Sound ✅
 * "positively breathtaking"." → "positively breathtaking."" ✅

Live performances

 * "on January 28" → "on January 28, 2020" ✅
 * Remove Grammy sentence since that is not relevant to the song whatsoever ✅
 * "dance crew CDK. Those performances "had" → "dance crew CDK, which "had" ✅
 * "the group was barefoot" → "the band members were barefoot" ✅
 * "which made it look like" → "that made it look like" ✅
 * Remove wikilink on Stereogum ✅
 * "lauded the group's" → "lauded the band's" ✅
 * "performances" writing, "one" → "performances" and wrote, "one" ✅
 * Merge second para with the first ✅
 * "the group performed" → "BTS performed" ✅
 * [89][90][91] should all be at the end of the sentence instead ✅

Track listing

 * Streaming should not have any capitalisation ✅

Credits and personnel

 * Use so there is the right space between credits and personnel ✅
 * A col should be used for separation here since it is quite long ✅

Awards

 * This should be a sub-section in Reception section ✅
 * Also invoke the table's ref at the end of the sole sentence here ✅

Weekly charts

 * Move that Australia ref solely to the mention of that chart position in Commercial performance and cite in here from the single chart template ✅
 * Cite for France using the single chart template here too ✅

Monthly charts

 * Good

Release history

 * Country → Region ✅
 * Use bullet points to separate the two different release formats ✅
 * Only one ref should be included here; I think ref 7, since that supports the info cited in this table ✅

Final comments and verdict

 * after I worked on this for a full day, proudly fulfilling your desire. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that I have addressed everything above, but I could have missed something. -- Ashley yoursmile!  07:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅, good job! --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:25, 8 June 2020 (UTC)