Talk:Black Thunder (chocolate bar)

Yuraku Confectionery Company may be relevant but one of its products is not. Appearing in the DYK/newest articles sections does not imply significant peer review for relevance. This article looks like marketing. It should be merged with an article for the Yuraku Confectionery Company. YellowLeftHand (talk) 02:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for voicing your concern. Let me try to address the issues seperately:

I will agree that the article does not need to be deleted. However, it must be simplified. this does not need to be Wikipedia's longest candy bar article. That this article is longer than the article for candy bar is a little ridiculous. Please simplify.YellowLeftHand (talk) 05:41, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * "Marketing": Perhaps the article appears as marketing, but I assure you, I only wanted to write a decent article about one of my favorite candy bars. I tried to avoid POV statements regarding flavor, and only mentioned the growing popularity as evidenced in the increased sales.
 * Yuraku Confectionery Company: It's true that there is no article about the Yuraku Confectionery Company; however, the Black Thunder bar has become their signature product. The Japanese Wikiepdia has seperate articles for the Black Thunder Bar and the Yuraku Confectionery Company (though almost half of it is also about the Black Thunder bar). There are many Wikipedia pages about particular candy bars, such as the Milky Way bar or 3 Musketeers (chocolate bar). For more than 200 other examples, see Category:Candy bars.
 * Notability: As pointed out in the article, sales of the Black Thunder are averaging around 30 million per year; there are 4 or 5 spin-off products; a related line of clothing; a book about the product; and it appeared in association with an Olympic team that the company sponsored in 2008. It may only be sold in Japan, but that doesn't mean it's not notable. Boneyard90 (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting. A request to remove material in a referenced article. Well, before I do that, consider the following:


 * The Black Thunder article has information on three other candy bars plus two ice cream bars. So, the one product turned into a line, and the article mentions those, with most of the focus on the flagship product. But for comparable length and quality, I refer you to:
 * M&M's: An article that, like Black Thunder, describes a (much larger) line of products, though the focus is on the original.
 * Cadbury Creme Egg
 * Twix, which has length, but could stand to be re-organized.
 * Snickers - most candy bar articles are only lightly referenced, but check out Snickers, and you'll see length, quality, and 22 references.
 * Finally, the Candy bar article is indeed short and trim, but then, it's been assessed as Start-class; and really, such an ubiquitous modern feature of cultures around the world really desrves better treatment, though I'm not sure I'm qualified to do it justice. On the other hand, the Black Thunder article is... well, it's currently un-rated, but I'm hoping someone will think it's more of a B-class. Perhaps it will become Wikipedia's first Featured Article on a commercially sold confectionery product. Boneyard90 (talk) 09:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Indeed this article if very well written and well sourced but much of it seems to be trivial information. Do other market trends, the number of people in the original factory, or that salty foods are considered mature really need to be discussed here? In my opinion, they don't. YellowLeftHand (talk) 00:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, busy time back there around 3 March, and I guess I didn't catch your last comment. Well, perhaps your right, I'll give some thought to trimming the article. I'll re-read the article for irrelevant "market trends" material, but I thought that would be good material for the history of a brand name product (this was my first such article). I included the number of people in the original factory because its part of one of those success stories where people start with almost nothing. And the cultural part about salty flavor? I figured the slogan "The Taste of First Love: Salt and Chocolate" would get alot of head-scratching and snickering if I didn't put in a cultural explanation. But as I said, I'll think about trimming the article down a bit. Boneyard90 (talk) 07:25, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

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