Talk:Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada

Verrieres Ridge
There isn't anything on here about the massacre at Verrieres Ridge.

Climie.ca 18:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC) Cam

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Picture
I don't know what the other violations are about exactly but I was thinking that a picture of the fortress of the regiment in Montreal (on Bleury) would do well here. It would portray the grandness and sophistication of the Black Watch of Canada and the important contribution its made to Canada's history. Canking (talk) 18:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool
Its my regiment!!! Comeau

Assessment
Rated the article class=start today; while it appears to have good coverage of the subject, it is lacking in inline referencing and doesn't list many sources.  PK T (alk)  18:36, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Major Edit (Removal of unencyclopaedic sections)
I have acted boldly and removed a large chunk of very unencyclopaedic material. Although some of the information provided may be valid much of the work was not and was written in a 1st hand narrative. This needs to be completely rewritten to an encyclopaedic style. Apologies if I have removed your edit or well intentioned information. Ozdaren (talk) 05:48, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The Real Origins, and History of the Begging of the Black Watch “Royal Highland Regiment” Of Canada. According to the Militia Act of 1855 further amended in 1859.

In the Origins or tracing back the Lineage of the CDN Black Watch many Historians, researchers and Canada’s Red Hackle Magazine { See summer and spring Issue 2007 page 4 the Canadian Connection} have concluded that.

In the book “The 5th Regiment Royal Scots of Canada Highlanders” A regimental history written by Captain Ernest J. Chambers in 1904. page 33, paragraph 5 he states "The 5th Battalion Royal Light Infantry" was organized under General Orders of January 31st 1862. Mr. Chambers got the date right but the name of the Regiment wrong. Even Canada’s Red Hackle magazine got the name wrong and the event; there was never a threat of invasion by the U.S.

From the research I've done concerning the TRENT Affair, both Britain & Canada were ready to go to war and attack the U.S. over the "Trent Affair". Britain had sent troops, supplies and munitions to Canada in the event the U.S. did not release the men taken from the Trent, and also submit ample apologies for the insult to the British flag. If not, then Britain would have declared war on the U.S. Note the Links that indicate that Britain was going to use Canada as a platform to invade the U.S. There was never an American invasion looming, we were going to be the invaders. Therefore with the threat of Britain and Canada invading the U.S. looming. I provided only 2 links of so many that I found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_in_the_American_Civil_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Affair

As Chambers writes on page 33 paragraph 3, Towards the end of November 1861, word reached Canada of the Trent outrage. The British mail steamer, "Trent" had been stopped on the high seas by the U.S.S. "San Jaeinto," boarded by a party of armed marines, and Messrs. Mason and Sliddell, the Confederate commissioners, .seized, in spite of the protests of the "Trent's" captain, and taken on board the "San Jaeinto." At the news of this wanton outrage upon the British flag, a wave of indignation swept over the British Empire, and Britons everywhere demanded that the Confederate commissioners be restored to the protection of the British flag and full reparation made. Although the question at issue was not one of special Canadian interest, and although it was realized that if war took place the United States would try to make Canada the scene of active operations, in no part of the Empire was there a more set determination that the outraged honour of the Empire be avenged than in Canada. For once the British government took a firm stand against its obstreperous offspring across the Atlantic, amended the restoration of the men taken from the Trent, and also ample apologies for the insult to the flag. Accustomed to receiving absurdly indulgent and invariably requited treatment at the hands of the Mother Country, the people of the United States, who had mistaken British good nature for weakness, insisted that the demands be not complied with. Both countries appeared determined, and both sternly set to work to serious' prepare for the impending conflict. Britain dispatched a large force of regular troops with ample supplies of munitions of war to Canada, and the Canadians, to a man, set themselves to the task of preparing for the contest, which appeared not merely probable but inevitable. How the United States Government eventually surrendered the two commissioners and made amends for the uncalled for action of Captain Wilkes, is well known to every reader of history.

While this keen international tension was at its height, the whole male population of Montreal enrolled themselves into volunteer corps, and exercised themselves in military drill, night and day. Many of the existing military organizations of the city trace their existence back to this stirring time.

Chambers is wrong about the name of the Formed Montreal Militia that was to become The Black Watch Royal Highland Regiment of Canada, but has the Date right. The CDN Black Watch Lineage chart shows 5th Battalion, Volunteer Militia Rifles, Canada January 31 1862. Redesignated 5th Battalion, The Royal Light Infantry of Montreal November 7 1862 No. 10 Company ( authorized 16 October 1856 as “The Montreal Highland Rifle Company”) of the 1st Or “prince of Wales Regiment” Volunteer Militia Rifles and redesignated No.9 Company.

Therefore The History should read! In the threat of War being declared by Britain and Canada on the US Or in the Mergence of War being Declared by Britain on the US concerning the "TRENT" Affair! In 1862 a Volunteer Militia of Scottish citizens of Montreal were organized under General Orders January 31 1862 as "The 5th Battalion, Volunteer Rifles of Canada" Now know as The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders Regiment) of Canada.

And the begging Lineage of The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders Regiment) of Canada. According to the Militia Act of 1855 and further amended in 1859. And as Mr Chambers states,{ Many of the existing military organizations of the city trace their existence back to this stirring time.} Therefore started with The 5th Battalion, Volunteer Rifles of Canada. January 31 1862. Not the “ The 5th Battalion, Royal Light Infantry of Montreal” as many have stated.

Lest We Forget Spañiard over and out,,,,,,,………

Cpl Perkins is killed in two places on the same day
There must be an error in one of the names and dates. 142.52.203.3 (talk) 19:23, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Copyright Issue
The text deleted for alleged copyright claims is official Government of Canada text, is publicly available, and, like material produced by the US Government, is not eligible for copyright claims. One would think this would be self-evident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sigma-6 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's not true. Works of the Canadian government are copyrighted. Their terms of use allow non-commercial purposes only, which is not a compatible license.  https://www.blackwatchcanada.com/ is not a Government of Canada webpage and also enjoys copyright protection. — Diannaa (talk) 22:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

You’re correct and I’m not. Sorry, it’s under Crown Copyright. Regardless, I’m ninety percent certain that those passages were added to the page by regimental association members or members of the regiment, so I don’t imagine any copyright claims are likely, but yes, official permission should be sought, or someone ought to write something new. This article is pretty slim for such an illustrious unit. Sigma-6 (talk) 01:39, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Fort Garry Horse which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 19:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War
According to family lore, I have a great uncle who served in the Canadian Black Watch, which fought Franco in the Spanish Civil War. I would love to find more empiric evidence and/or background on this story. Would someone consider recommending source material that might shed more light?

Thanks in advance for your time. EB Beyere5398 (talk) 11:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Beyere5398, The Black Watch was absolutely not in the Spanish Civil War, nor was any other unit of the official Canadian military forces. It's possible that a man could have been in the Black Watch and fought Franco in different phases of his life, but not both at the same time. There was a Canadian unit in the war, the Mackenzie–Papineau Battalion, but it was not supported by the Canadian government in any way. Indefatigable (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow. Thank you for the rapid and detailed reply. 207.66.64.59 (talk) 14:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)