Talk:Black butcherbird

If anyone is interested, the Kearns paper on page 948 states, "our findings provide strong evidence that the synonymy of Gymnorhina is valid" - the opposite of how the IOC interpreted it (!) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * no reference link....Pvmoutside (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh. Didn't know this was a point of contention. In any case, peculiarly inverse interpretation, I agree.-- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:13, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * (oh I see the link expired :P) - ok, type "A Multilocus Coalescent Analysis of the Speciational History of the Australo-Papuan Butcherbirds and their Allies" (i.e. the Kearns 2013 paper) into Google scholar and click on the academia.edu link for the pdf. Look up page 948, second column and 2nd para down. If you can't see it I'll send pdf. They specifically advocate for lumping not splitting the genera. So how on earth the ioc got that out of that I have no idea....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:08, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * PS: I have just written to Leo Joseph (who is one of the authors and also on the IOC) to see what the story is...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:14, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks Cas for the heads up......I went to Google Scholar but it didn't link the entire article, and wasn't going to pay the $40 US to get it.  I trust you with knowing whats happening at your neck of the woods.....Perhaps we should wait to change back until you get a response from the IOC?.....Pvmoutside (talk) 22:10, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Turns there is debate going on behind the scenes, with broad Cracticus vs Cracticus/Gymnorhina/Melloria being debated. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)