Talk:Black veganism

worst effort, or one of the worst?
I feel like this article is a complete mess, but I'm not sure how to fix it. Hoping others will be interested. —valereee (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This is a bit of disturbing article. Veganism is now a racial thing? The problem I see is that there is no academic or scholarly sources that mention "black veganism", I do not believe this actually exists. There is no such thing as black veganism, just like there is no Asian veganism, Latino veganism or white veganism, there is just veganism. We should not be racializing veganism on Wikipedia based on a few faddish newspaper articles. Veganism has nothing to do with politics and I cannot find any evidence that "black veganism" actually exists as a philosophy political or not. I also believe there is a false synth here. There are a few newspaper articles discussing afro Americans that happen to be vegans but this doesn't mean there is a movement of "black veganism". Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I do feel like it's a thing. I'm not confident in/about how I've dealt with it. —valereee (talk) 00:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Black veganism is discussed in more detail in Aph Ko and Syl Ko's book, Aphro-ism. Funcrunch (talk) 02:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Funcrunch, thank you, I've ordered it through interlibrary loan! —valereee (talk) 21:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've added a scholarly article that defines Black veganism specifically as a political protest. —valereee (talk) 19:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Make that several. —valereee (talk) 22:36, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

removal
Hey, @KoA, no objections to the other removals, but the fact this isn't the BLP for Ko doesn't mean we don't mention someone who is being called a leader in the field? —valereee (talk) 19:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm mostly here checking in after seeing concerns brought up at WP:FTN. The mention of Ko did come across as WP:PUFFERY as part of the sort of name-dropping issue I was seeing across the article. There really aren't strong sources that warrant name-dropping people like that, and it's leading to a bit of a WP:COATRACK issue across the article that makes it seem unfocused. I'm on fairly limited time for now, so I only tackled a few of things that jumped out to me right away in that regard. I know Psychologist Guy was taking a look at the article too, so maybe they have other ideas. KoA (talk) 21:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That's okay, we can talk. How would you like to handle it? —valereee (talk) 21:46, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * KoA, as far as I know there are only two peer-reviewed papers in the animal rights literature that exclusively discuss "black veganism". I agree with the article that it might be seen as an "emerging" discipline. But as it stands currently this is very much fringe. In 5-10 years there will be more academic literature, discussion and responses on the subject from scholars. It might become its own little academic sub-field similar to vegetarian ecofeminism but right now it is very early days. This has just mostly been blown up by certain media reports. I agree with another user who left a comment about black veganism on the Fringe noticeboard that there is a serious lack of WP:SCHOLARSHIP currently on the subject. If this article was created in a couple of years time I think there would have been more academic sources to use but as stated right now not much exists on the topic. Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Fringe Theories Noticeboard
For anyone interested, there's a discussion at Fringe_theories/Noticeboard —valereee (talk) 22:38, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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