Talk:Black velvet (cocktail)

float the stout on the champagne?
A lifetime of original research tells me that a layered black velvet is rarer than hens's teeth (i.e. I have never even heard of it until now, let alone seen it) The "additional reference" cited below would appear to support my view. Only by mixing the stout and the champagne would you achieve the mourning black for the whole drink as is suggested as the purpose behind its invention. I would therefore submit that the article currently incorrectly asserts a (perfectly valid) variation as the only valid version. Thoughts? 86.161.108.64 (talk) 22:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Dale DeGroff, who I would consider an expert, says to mix, not layer. He implies that David Embury said the same thing. I think we should fix the article to say that layering is a variation. I will try to get to this later. One problem we have now is that the one source we have says to layer the champagne on top of the stout, but has a photo showing it the other way around. Kendall-K1 (talk) 23:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thank you. 86.161.108.64 (talk) 01:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

additional reference
According to Cargo magazine (cargomag.com) March 2006, "In 1861 Britain was rocked by the death of Prince Albert. Members of London's snooty Brook's Club were in mourning, and the steward decided that if champagne must be drunk, it should be shrouded in black, too.  So he darkened all the bubbly with a 1:1 mix of Guinness.  The result is an effervescent blend of fruity wine and mellow stout that's actually quite elegant."

Wikibooks
Move to Wikibooks? No, because this article is more than a recipe, e.g. because of such historic reference to Bismarck. --89.57.26.245 20:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Brian Paradis
Someone keeps adding this information to the article, but I see nothing to suggest that it is accurate. Anyone know what this is all about? -SpuriousQ (talk) 22:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I see nothing to suggest that anything in this article is valid. None of the refences are applicable or valid. TinyMark 19:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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Preparation
the description for preparation differs between the main body and the boxed text. could we have consistency as to which liquid  floats on which. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.173.247 (talk) 03:26, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Poor Man’s Black Velvet
It is emphatically NOT true that the term ‘Poor man’s black velvet’ isn’t used in the U.K or Ireland. The section of the article that claims this even links to British website that uses the term and another link is to an American website that uses the term but makes no claim as to whether it is also used in Britain or Ireland or not. The author of the page on the American website may even be Irish himself (he’s called ‘Connor O’Toole’). The only link making this false claim is the one to the Malaysian tabloid. I would rewrite it but I don’t want to remove the link to the Malaysian reference altogether without discussing it here first. By the way, I’m English myself and use the phrase ‘poor man’s black velvet’ (original research, I know). Overlordnat1 (talk) 14:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Now improved. Do NOT revert. If you want to improve the section on ‘Poor man’s black velvet’ then please do so by removing the unreliable reference (the Malaysian tabloid ‘The Star’) and rewriting accordingly. Overlordnat1 (talk) 13:45, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Tripe
What a collection of derp. Not a fact in the whole article including how the drink is made. 46.7.188.106 (talk) 08:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 14 November 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

– Per recent discussions at Talk:Donkey punch (cocktail), Talk:Long Island iced tea, Talk:Black and tan, and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters. Linguistically speaking, these are not proper names and they are also not trademark names. Some of them need disambiguation, but not too much (no need for "beer" for the first one). This RM would produce consistency within List of cocktails, but is obviously just the beginning of what is needed to produce consistency among cocktail articles. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:08, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Black Velvet (beer cocktail) → Black velvet (cocktail)
 * Hangman's Blood → Hangman's blood
 * Irish Car Bomb → Irish car bomb (cocktail)
 * Support: As proposed. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨ 19:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Mixed (no pun) - tending opposed. None of these cocktails are descriptive and might consequently be considered proper names. Here is the ngram evidence: black velvet, hangman's blood, Irish Car Bomb and black velvet with wildcard (the other terms don't yield a result for a wildcard search). I have also looked at google book searches using "cocktail name" cocktail as the search term. Irish car bomb  pretty much refers to the cocktail and is usually capped. Hangman's blood refers to the cocktail and the blood of a hangman in near equal proportions and is usually capped for the cocktail.  Black velvet refers to the fabric in most cases. Unless there is better evidence I am thinking these should remain capped per thegeneral guidance at MOS:CAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * weak support - There are apparently some people who say ‘Black Velvet’ in Britain and Ireland to refer to similar cocktails to the classic Black Velvet but made with Cider or Perry instead. I would always refer to such a cocktail as a ‘Poor Man’s Black Velvet’ and I’m British but even so it would seem perverse to consider a ‘Poor Man’s Black Velvet’ to be anything other than a type of ‘Black Velvet’, so it belongs in a Black Velvet (cocktail) article (at least in the absence of a dedicated Poor Man’s Black Velvet article). --Overlordnat1 (talk) 13:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as proposed. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 15:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)