Talk:Black wolf

Black wolf would be a simpler title.--Wetman (talk) 08:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that title is already linked; Black Wolf.Mariomassone (talk) 16:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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Pure wolves
Does this mean there are almost no pure wolves left in the world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.213.18 (talk) 23:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Canids have been interbreeding all the time. I doubt you'll find any 100% pure members of the Canis genus.Mariomassone (talk) 23:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Depends on how "pure" is "pure". The coat colour gene is only one out of thousands – after ten generations a wolf with the black version might have only one dog ancestor out of over a thousand wolf ancestors.  Does that make it "not pure"?  As Mariomassone says, there will usually be some gene flow between closely related species unless interbreeding is completely impossible (for example due to geographical, temporal or physiological separation).  Not just canids either.  Richard New Forest (talk) 10:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It is also possible that the wolves with the gray genes have near-equal amounts of domestic dog ancestry with those carrying the black trait, in populations the color phase is well spread into. What other genes or traits are linked on the chromosome involved would also be transferred along with the k-locus, others by chance on other crossover segments. There is likely to be considerable interbreeding for the period when there are yet few differences developed between wolves and domesticated wolves, but no reason any other useful survival traits, like not preying on humans, would not have been kept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.252.254.140 (talk) 05:09, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Removal of skin photo
This edit by User:Swiftpaw just removed this image with the following edit summary: "The human article does not contain a picture of someone's skin strung out. Removed this image as it is inappropriate for Wikipedia and violates its fo[u]rth pillar".

I'm mystified... Not at all clear what the argument is here: not clear how it violates the fourth pillar (which is the one about being civil to other users), not clear why it might be inappropriate, and not clear at all what it has to do with the human article.

I can't see what is wrong with this image. Conversely, I also can't see that it is essential for the article (though it does leave only one other photo amongst several rather dodgy drawings).

It may be worth noting that Wikipedia is not censored, or, as it is it put on the list of WP policies, "Wikipedia does not censor itself of content that may be objectionable or offensive".

This photo should be included if it is useful, and omitted if not. Richard New Forest (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. It is a much better illustration than the drawings, and is not exactly graphic. I shall reverse this.Mariomassone (talk) 23:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Genetics of the Black Gene
Someone edited in that black fur was dominant, their reasoning being that 10/14 pups in a gray + black litter were black. There are no citations to anything other than these numbers.

Editing--changed the "is dominant" to is likely to be, and added a second citation, although I can't get the reference code to work right (if someone can fix that). This citation shows a graphical display of the genetic mutation (and the breeding, and results of) of the gene responsible for black in wolves. I can't find anything better; hopefully someone else can come up with something one way or the other.


 * Better reference would be nice. I don't see how the example shows dominance at all. As likely black recessive, and the gray wolves heterozygous with one black gene. Examples of black wolves producing gray pups would be definitive. I believe I read black wolves appeared on Isle Royale from all-gray origin packs, indicating black recessive, will look up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.252.254.140 (talk) 05:23, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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