Talk:Blade (1998 film)

Movie
This is NOT a porn movie. This is the vampire movie starring Wesley Snipes, which we already have an article about. A redirect would be inappropriate. RickK 21:10, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

From VfD
Omitted discussion related to the article's creation in 2004; the issue has been resolved and the discussion only serves to archive a spurious argument.

216.254.28.72 (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Blade (movie)
I moved this article to Blade (movie) because it is the logical name for the article. To support this logic, the Vampire and Kris Kristofferson articles used this syntax for the movie. Kingturtle 00:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * That said, about half of the article is about the comic book, not the movie. -Fuzzy 04:50, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My comment on this got lost in the edit conflicts. The redirect should be deleted because it's wrong. Blade is not a porn movie. I've listed it on Redirects for Deletion. RickK 00:20, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Sunglasses
I made a minor correction to the "traits" section - while Blade does wear sunglasses in the movies, even in the dark, there is little evidence to suggest that this is a requirement for him. Also added his knowledge of Russian (evidenced at the end of Blade 1)


 * He most likely keeps his glasses on to hide something or just to show some type of toughness. I doubt his eyes are sensitive to bright light as he did take them off in Frost's brightly lit room when talking to his mother. --DBGFrost 05:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Vampire language
I'm interested in the vampire language created for the film.--Jondel 00:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC) There are a total of about 6-8 lines of vampire dialogue in "Blade", subtitled in English. (The director though there were more, but the other subtitled lines turned out to be in Krat pruchiri busistampol proto lukchano, Frost. "You are a disgrace to the vampire nation, Frost"

Sika lupala tat kapro Blade? "Don't we have enough trouble with Blade?"


 * Kampa kasimba ginet grumani? "Are we here troubled for a nonsense?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Officer Boscorelli (talk • contribs) 17:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This one is from Pearl though it's kind of hard to makeout due to the noise of the UV light and him burning, but I'll give it a shot: Tranus prototano disgues sanaproto vanu fortasha raka haruka pinoso "La Magra is coming. The Spirits of the Twelve will awaken the Blood God" --DBGFrost 04:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Synopsis?
This article doesn't actually mention anything about the synopsis of the movie, apart from the fact that Blade kills vampires. Lady BlahDeBlah 01:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to write something of a fuller plotline. It may have some wrong points, but I'd rather people edited it than deleted it outright. Hope it suffices Iwan Berry 16:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I changed the sequence of some of the synopsis, since a key event was described out of sequence.Niteshift36 (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Blade Soundtrack
I've provided my source for the soundtrack that is heard within the film. If you want to post the soundtrack that was marked official, place it in a different header (source recommended) and refrain from deleting the original. This artical is to give out full information on the film, not to show which is official and which isn't. --The Scourge 23:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The "Traits" Section
I'm deleting the first paragraph of the traits section and heavily modifying the rest. Whoever wrote it must have been twelve years old or something. They clearly missed the subtext between Frost and Blade about the "all our strengths none of our weaknesses" bit. Clearly Frost does not see the thirst as a weakness. Regardless, I recommend the whole section be axed. Johnny Wishbone 05:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with the section being axed. If it belongs anywhere on this page, it belongs in the plot.  However, ideally Blade the character would have its own page (much like that of for example Spider-Man or Batman.)WakingJohn 20:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Deleting it. WakingJohn 03:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

La Magra section
This is really not needed in the article. The plot section already details that Frost is immensely powerful when he is possessed by La Magra. Detailing his "powers" is just redundant in an additional section. If La Magra was based on an actual mythological figure, then it would be fine to have this extra section. If additional information on La Magra is needed, then create a page for the topic and link it from within the Blade article.

-Euphman
 * Create a separate page for a small chunk based on La Magra? That's foolish, and you're contradicting yourself by suggesting that. If an article of La Magra was created, it would eventually be suggested to merge with the Blade article. The section is going back up.--The Scourge 01:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like someone is letting their ego get in the way of articles meeting quality standards.Euphman 03:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My ego? You're the only one who believes the La Magra section is redundant information. Did you think maybe other readers might find it useful? Because you're the only one with an opinion against it doesn't give you the right to remove it. Unless more step up and disagree, the La Magra section stays. End of discussion.--The Scourge 04:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I assume you're the one who created the section on La Magra in the first place and feel that because it was your contribution, it must therefore be infallible. The information is already summarized within the Plot section, making an addtional section that is just a rehash REDUNDANT. I would suggest adding more information to the section that makes it less extraneous, look up the phrase Magra maybe, give the reader some background info. But as it is it adds nothing to the article that hasn't already been stated earlier.Euphman 20:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, this information as well as that in traits should be within in the plot section if included at all. This article is about Blade the film. It doesn't really fit in about information concerning the general movie, but instead that of the plot of the general movie. Ignoring that, its information that concerns the plot and should be in that section. As it states it is "One of the major plots of the film" WakingJohn 20:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Additional information was added, but removed due to lack of reference. It's difficult searching for any reliable source containing information on such character. And again, Euphman, you're just making assumptions. Before you decided to come here and remove it, it was fine. It's not about keeping my contribution in place. I've made plenty that's been removed and/or altered all in good reason, but you believing it to be redundant doesn't give you the power to remove it altogether. It's not your sole decision. If others want to take a vote on it, fine. I'd like to get the opinions of veteran users who edit this article on a regular basis. They don't seem to be bothered by the section.--The Scourge 21:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Every other page about a film based on comics follows this format. I don't understand why you want this page to be different. Why not keep the plot information within the plot section? WakingJohn 20:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to sound rude, but I'm a bit tired of repeating myself. Let's just wait and see how many users (new and veterans) oppose or favor towards the section's place on the article, hm?--The Scourge 01:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps moving it so that its a subsection of plot would be a suitable comprimise, if not your suggestion is fine and we can RtC it? WakingJohn 03:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't get a chance to reply up until now, but it seems the deed is done. Works out well, anyway.--The Scourge 03:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Marvel Films Without Marvel Logo
This movie along with the sequel (Blade II) and X-Men are the only movies that do not have the Marvel Films logo although the movies are based on comic books from Marvel Comics.

This is factually false. Even if we modify it to "theatrically released movies" (thus excluding the early-90s Captain America and Punisher movies, the late-70s Dr. Strange movie, etc.), there are still two other "movies based on comic books from Marvel Comics" that lack the logo, namely Howard the Duck and the 1940s Captain America serial. Either they should be included, or this bit of incorrect trivia should be deleted. 207.31.229.4 16:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * (Not to mention that it should probably be changed from "based on comic books from Marvel Comics" to "based on properties owned by Marvel Comics", since, for example, the recent Transformers film is partly based on the old Marvel Transformers comic, but Marvel doesn't own Transformers. Corollary: I'm pedantic. 207.31.229.4 15:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
 * Even this phrasing is somewhat troublesome, because of Conan, and Red Sonja, who last time I checked, still exist in Marvel Continuity, but the films were produced from an entirely different branch of the license. "Based on" does exclude Star Wars, (and I think Star Trek was a marvel license for at least some of the film era) fortunately though. Additionally, the Men in Black franchise is currently owned by Marvel, IIRC, but do not include the Marvel logo. (StarkeRealm 07:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC))

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb (talk) 15:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Put back at Start class, it isn't even C class. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Vampire Lord
Does anyone know the name of the actor who played the vampire lord killed by Mercury with Blade's sword? Can't find him on IMDB. Chronolegion (talk) 01:01, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Some ADS deleted
The link to the "official site" www.blade.com turned out to be a link to an ADS collection of links, so I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.200.97 (talk) 20:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Plot
I've done some tightening on this section and tried to make it a bit more coherent and concise. It could probably do with a bit more trimming. Comments?

Dunks (talk) 00:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it Just "Bravado?
...Or perhaps "vampire" testosterone? In both movies, when a captured and subdued Blade makes the threat to both Deacon Frost and other protagonists in subsequent movies, paraphrased "...Say what you like; but I promise you'll be dead by dawn!" I wonder if this is simply rage-filled, and perhaps Blade's singular, focused mind-set on killing his adversary; or could it be that Blade may just have the power of clairvoyance, among his other abilities? The outcome usually ends as he has threatened, to the astonishment of his vanquished captors!!! --65.88.88.125 (talk) 15:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)Veryverser

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This started Marvel....
I do not know how this works, but this movie with it's box office/budget was a pioneer of what became Marvel/Disney. This film did 2.5x it's budget and without much publicity. For a rated R movie this was a huge deal, or did 2 sequels come after? Trinity stunk.

This article needs a rewrite, from the plot to the people involved. Wesley Snipes, along with Kris Kristofferson deserve more than a credit on this entry. Were the moderators even out of there pissing diapers when this was shown to them or they seen it 15 years later? Granted the CGI does NOT hold up. Give Snipes and Kristofferson credit for acting unlike most of the Marvel guys outside Robert Downy, and Chris Evans.
 * Not real sure what this pioneered... Disney existed long before Blade did...
 * If you'd like to contribute to the rewrite, that would be fantastic. Since you didn't really say what should be in the rewrite aside from "more", I'm not sure what it is that you want. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:32, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Aside from the fact that both Marvel and Disney existed long before the Blade movies (which I love), Howard the Duck and The Punisher pre-date Blade. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:33, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't phrase it quite that way but this and other films from that time certainly have an important legacy. If someone wanted to start a Legacy section then a good place to start would the following article from Scott Mendelson "How 'Blade' And 'Spawn' Paved The Way For 'Black Panther'". (I would view Howard the Duck as a cautionary tale that scared studios off making comic book movies, and the Punisher films as examples of Hollywood not quite knowing what to do with comic book adaptations, especially R-rated stories.) Oh and yes, Blade: Trinity was hilariously awful. -- 109.79.91.135 (talk) 16:33, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Blade ... legacy -- 109.78.201.165 (talk) 22:15, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

"Blaze (2022 film)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Blaze (2022 film). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 3 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:49, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism
Please note this article has been vandalized by an editor on a crusade who deleted a deprecated source but made no effort to replace the deprecation source (or request a better reference) and instead took the lazy disruptive option of changing a reference to an an unhelpful citation needed tag. See WP:DAILYMAIL1 and WP:DAILYMAIL2. Another editor rightly acknowledged this behavior as "silly" and removed the spurious citation request and the accompanying text too. This was a very predictable result of deleting the source instead of replacing it.

There is no indication the substance of the text it was ever disputed: "It is also hailed as one of Snipes' signature roles".

I make note of it here until I or someone else has time to fix this unfortunate vandalism, and restore the text with a better source. -- 109.78.218.56 (talk) 12:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Found a source talking about Blade as Snipe's "iconic role", close enough. -- 109.78.218.56 (talk) 12:56, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

4K rerelease
Blade got a 4K rerelease in 2020 and Cineworld rereleased it in UK theatres for Halloween (October 29, 2021).

I found a review that praised the film and emphasized its important legacy establishing Marvel superhero films as many have done already, but also notes how many things in this film predated the Matrix. The review was also fairly forgiving "Admittedly, some of the effects do show their age, but they are largely acceptable". This might be worth mentioning in the article somewhere. -- 109.76.137.229 (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem like the rerelease got much attention, although The Guardian did give the re-release 4 out of 5 stars " Blade is an entertainingly macabre and excitingly staged action horror, with a propulsive energy" -- 109.76.203.58 (talk) 14:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Casting and Jet Li
A while back an editor asked if film articles should include details about actors who auditioned for roles they did not get. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film#Should_we_mention_actor_auditions? The discussion essentially said it depends. A good questions was asked "what was the level of consideration?" and that should be asked again here in this article.

We don't have any sources to support the claim that Jet Li considered for the role, let alone that he was offered and turned down the role. This claim also contradicts my understanding from Lethal Weapon 4 that Jet Li did not want to be cast as a Hollywood villain. He was only reluctantly persuaded to do Lethal Weapon 4 by Joel Silver with the guarantee of the lead in Romeo Must Die. (This does fit with my own recollection but the Wikipedia entries for these do not appear to reliably sourced either.)

Similarly I have not been able to find sources for other cast that were allegedly "considered" for the role of Deacon Frost. My searches did not turn up any mention of Bruce Payne, Mark Wahlberg, or Skeet Ulrich in connection to this film, let alone a source that would clarify if they were ever given serious consideration versus casually suggested as a vague casting possibilities. I'm going to go ahead and remove these unsourced claims from the article.

Even if editors can eventually turn up sources to support these vague claims they still need to take care not to put undue weight on what may only have been random suggestions of no consequence. -- 109.76.203.58 (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Removed unsourced claims. -- 109.76.203.58 (talk) 14:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Removed again (diff) -- 109.76.131.216 (talk) 01:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Genre
Blade is a Marvel comics superhero and this is a superhero film. There may be elements of other genres, but the primary genre is clear enough. The WP:STATUSQUO for this article has been to refer to this as a superhero film. I didn't make this change initially, but I have restored it. (In the past the article has included various modifiers including "horror" or "supernatural" or "vampire" in the genre.) MOS:FILMGENRE says "Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and represent what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources."

It seems WP:UNDUE to mention anything other than the primary superhero genre. I see no good reason not to follow the guidelines. If other editors disagree I would encourage them to show sources for additional genres and to also prove that there is WP:DUE WP:WEIGHT to justify including more than just the primary genre.

If you disagree with WP:MOSFILM you should start a discussion and ask for the opinions of the more active film editors, but this seems like exactly the sort of unnecessary genre bloat the guidelines were warning against. (Finally, it seems preferable to stick to the primary genre and apply it consistently to all three films in the series.) -- 109.76.132.217 (talk) 15:45, 4 December 2022 (UTC)