Talk:Bless Me, Ultima

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Citation 4: The article "So what are those kids reading?" by the Tribune Business News published by the McClatchy Company on August 14 2011 was not found on the journal's database. Pv186 (talk) 18:09, 9 November 2016 (UTC)Pv186

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Choice between religion
wut do u guys think about the strugle with antonio to kind of choose between ultimas "religion" or Christianity ?


 * Hi. This is the talk page for a Wikipedia article, thus we use it to discuss points about the article itself, not the subject. You may want to try the Reference desk &mdash; Edward Z. Yang (Talk) 21:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

What!???!
Ummm... The book doesn't start with Tony going to school. Thats Chapter 6. I have half a mind to rewrite this article, except that school starts in 4 days and I got a lot of hw. -71.248.235.164 03:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC) I have just rewritten the synopsis of the first chapter and placed it after the intro paragraph of the plot section of the article.LBoccherini (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

This entry is inaccurate and poorly written. don't trust

Quite true. It is generally right, but has some humongous errors. Kind of like driving a ferrari with sugar water instead of gasoline, no seatbelts, and a tv instead of a rearview mirror.

December 21, 2011: I have begun to rewrite this article beginning with the Lead to get more facts out there on the importance of the book at least to the American middle school, high school and undergraduate curriculum and also to give an overview of the main idea of the novel. I have added two specific citations and a bibliography that will be used to add a section on the criticism on the novel once the plot information can be rearranged. Yes, it is true the novel begins with Tony's birth which puts his destiny in the hands of Ultima, but I haven't got to redoing that part yet. (LBoccherini (talk) 18:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)LBoccherini)


 * Begins with his birth? Maybe a flashback to his birth, but it really begins when he's already about 7 years old--just before Ultima's arrival.... Aristophanes 68   (talk)  06:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes a flashback of his birth through his dream LBoccherini (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, sure, but that's not where the novel begins -- that's just something that occurs in the opening chapter. The novel begins years later. Aristophanes 68   (talk)  00:14, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

The paragraph I have just completed on the first chapter (Plot) now alludes to the dream as flashback and I do not interpret that language as implying that his birth is where the novel begins.See what you think.LBoccherini (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

The whole section on the characters has to be rewritten as it is a cut and paste job from SparkNotes!LBoccherini (talk) 08:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Next Steps
I have made numerous citations to verify factual information especially regarding claims of accolades, accomplishments, theatrical adaptations and the like many of which are only readily found on established internet web pages.

I have cited two sources for the claim that BMU is an example of a "nonderivative American literature." There is much more to be said about that statement, but where the statement is located is not the place.LBoccherini (talk) 01:28, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I have added auxiliary information with pertinent websites on pertinent cultural information such as the Llorona legend as the Wikipedia page is not at this point complete enough.

I have added information to the beginning of the plot section to clarify that what the reader knows about the portending conflict between the protagonist's mother and father and Ultima's intervention comes through his dream as a flashback.

There is much more to be done especially in the two sections I have suggested should be added before the plot.

Since its publication in 1972,BMU has continued to gain attention due to its widespread use in schools and the ensuing numerous bans and "book burnings" by parents in selected school districts.

Given that reality how does this novel get an update on its importance?

It would be good if there were others out there interested in improving the comprehensiveness and quality of this page. LBoccherini (talk) 23:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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Plot Summary
I am thinking of addressing some of the holes and lack of specificity in the plot. I plan on following the plot more chronologically and looking at some of the specific instances, which shape Antonio's exploration of religion and identity such as the murders he witnesses and the flashbacks. Hopefully, the new plot section will weave both the larger themes, which are already mentioned and weaved in with more specific anecdotes from the text in a chronological order. Jbv15 (talk) 00:05, 13 November 2016 (UTC)jbv15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbv15 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC) Jbv15 (talk) 14:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)jbv15

Reception
I am thinking of restructuring the Reception section to make it more comprehensive and having sub-headers including: critical reception and censorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbv15 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * A useful source in building a Censorship section is the essay "Take the Tortillas Out of Your Poetry" from the book Censored Books Critical Outlines in which Anaya provides his own opinion of the censorship incidents with his novel. However, to balance it, testimonials from individuals and/or groups who want to ban and/or challenge it should be provided

Pv186 (talk) 17:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)Pv186

The source for the statement "As of 2012, Bless Me, Ultima has become the best-selling Chicano novel of all time. The New York Times reports that Anaya is the most widely read author in Hispanic communities, and sales of his classic, Bless Me, Ultima (1972) have surpassed 360,000." leads to a non-authoritative, questionable source called "Writing the Southwest" that comes from 1996 and therefore is not recorded "As of 2012". It would be much better if the source directly leads to the New York Times article that makes this claim, or a source that is far more updated Pv186 (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2016 (UTC)Pv186

Annotated Bibliography to build into Censorship page:

"Banned Book Read at Protest - Norwood Superintendent Explains His Stance to High School Students." Daily Sentinel, The (Grand Junction, CO): 1. Feb 05 2005. Web.

~This is a newspaper article that can be provided that involves a censorship case of Bless Me, Ultima in Grand Junction, Colorado. It will be placed in the Censorship section.

"Foerstel, Herbert N.. Banned in the U.S.A. : A Reference Guide to Book Censorship in Schools and Public Libraries. p.228-229. Westport, US: Greenwood Press, 2002. ProQuest Ebrary. Web. 7 November 2016." Print.

~This is source general reference guide to censorship that talks about Anaya's background, the plot of the story, and three challenges to Bless Me, Ultima from page 228 through page 229. This will be used in the Censorship section.

MICHELLE HATFIELD, and MHATFIELD@MODBEECOM. "Orestimba Book Ban Called 'Scary'." Modesto Bee, The (CA): B1. Nov 23 2008. Web.

~This is a newspaper article that can be provided that involves a censorship case of Bless Me, Ultima in Modesto, California. It will be placed in the Censorship section.

"Policy Not Followed in 'Ultima' Dispute." Modesto Bee, The (CA): A10. Jan 09 2009. Web.

~This is a newspaper article that can be provided that involves the aftermath of the censorship case of Bless Me, Ultima in Modesto, California. It will be placed in the Censorship section.

"School Board should Decide if 'Ultima' Deserves Banning." Modesto Bee, The (CA): A11. Dec 01 2008. Web.

~This is a newspaper article that can be provided that reports of the censorship case of Bless Me, Ultima in Modesto, California as the school board was about to make its decision. It will be placed in the Censorship section.

SEDERSTROM, JILL. "School to Keep Disputed Novels." Kansas City Star, The (MO): B2. Jun 02 2005. Web.

~This is a newspaper article that can be provided that involves a school board decision about keeping the challenged book Bless Me, Ultima in Kansas. It will be placed in the Censorship section.

Varvel, Linda. "Censorship and Bless Me, Ultima: A Journey through Fear to Understanding." Censored Books II. Ed. Nicholas J. Karolides. Lanham: Scarecrow, 2002. 70-79. Literature Resource Center; Gale. Web.

~An essay that goes over what elements of the text might be seen to provoke challenging. She also looks to how these elements make the book educative. She can be cited as an authoritative opinion on why censorship of this book is provoked so frequently. It can be placed in the Censorship section as well as the Literary Analysis section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pv186 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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Black, Debra B. "Times of Conflict: "Bless Me, Ultima" as a Novel of Acculturation." Bilingual Review 25.2 (2000): 146-62. Web.

"Book Ban Laid to Rest." Austin American-Statesman (TX): A12. Jan 20 1996. Web.

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Hatfield, Michelle, The M.Bee and Calif. "Board Upholds Novel's Removal: 'Bless Me, Ultima' Won't be Taught at Orestimba High School by 4-1 Vote."The Modesto Bee (California) February 3 2009. Web.

"School's Book Ban is Up for Debate: 'Ultima' Pulled Out of Orestimba High." The Modesto Bee ( California )January 5 2009. Web.

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Section Organization
The page is somewhat discombobulated and difficult for the reader to follow. Perhaps, it would be easier if we reorganized the article, beginning with Background (author, literary and historical) followed by plot summary, themes, reception and adaptations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbv15 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC) Jbv15 (talk) 14:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)jbv15

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