Talk:Blohm & Voss BV 222/Archive 1

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The claim that the BV-222 was the largest aircraft to achieve an aerial kill during WWII, and the largest aircraft to be shot down during the War has been challenged. Please persent evidence that this is incorrect or the challenge will be removed. - Ken keisel (talk) 18:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No - Wikipedia doesn't work like that - evidence is needed that the claims that it is the largest aircraft to be shot down and the largest aircraft to make a kill - and those are the claims that should be removed if not backed up by cites. They don't belong in the lead anyway.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:44, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not require reference on statements that are inherently obvious, such as that the F-111 has swing wings. Significant history is appropriate for the introduction if it is the main notibility of the subject. - Ken keisel (talk) 18:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The BV 222 was the largest aircraft to be shot down while airborne. However the one and only Blohm & Voss BV 238 prototype was the largest aircraft destroyed during the war; it was strafed and sunk while docked on Schaal Lake during testing. Thus, the statement in the BV 222 article is correct, it was the largest aircraft "shot down", but not the largest aircraft destroyed. The BV 238 article provides references for this, and the article should be clarified by mentioning just what I stated above. - Ryandinho14 (talk) 16:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of File:BV222V-2.JPG for deletion
Hello, this is just a heads up to inform you that File:BV222V-2.JPG, which is used in this article, has been nominated for deletion at PUF by myself. You can see my rationale and add your input on the nomination page, which can be found. Thanks, Acather96 (talk) 19:41, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

What does "largest" mean?
The article claims that the BV 222 was "the largest operational aircraft of World War II." Okay, its wingspan was 10 feet wider than that of the far heavier and higher-performance Boeing B-29, which obviously was operational during the war, since it dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But does that make the BV 222 "largest"? And if so, is that an important factoid? After all, there are superlight single-place competition sailplanes with high-aspect-ratio wings wider than those of a vastly heavier eight-seat business jet. Does that make the sailplane "larger"? If it does, it seems a pretty artificial criterion.173.62.39.77 (talk) 19:26, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Largest Flying boat/'Sea-based aircraft'
From the 2nd sentence of the article: "it was both the largest flying boat and largest sea-based German aircraft". What exactly is the difference between a flying boat and a 'sea-based aircraft? 'Sea-based aviation' is a recent US neologism coined to cover the launching of drones etc from other 'platforms' in addition to aircraft carriers - flying boats are 'self-deployed sea-based aircraft' within this definition: http://www.onr.navy.mil/science-technology/departments/code-35/all-programs/aerospace-research-351/sea-based-aviation.aspx If the distinction being suggested is that the Bv 222 was both the largest flying boat and largest carrier-borne aircraft to see German service in WWII, 1. Gemany didn't have an aircraft carrier, so there were by definition no carrier-borne aircraft, 2. the idea of anything the size of a Bv 222 being able to land on an aircraft carrier is absurd anyway. If the suggestion is that the Bv 222 was the largest flying boat of any nation to operate during the war - this sentence is uncited: largest by what/whose definition? No such claim is made in the German Wikipedia entry https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_BV_222 The Bv 238 is cited as the largest Axis aircraft in the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_BV_238 Robocon1 (talk) 17:26, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

“the Bv 222 was the largest seaplane to attain production status during the Second World War”: p.56, Green, W, War Planes of the 2nd WW Volume 5, article bibliography. Information added with citation. Robocon1 (talk) 19:26, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Postwar, V2
Postwar, last sentence: "V2 was later scuttled by the British who filled her with BV 222 spare parts from the base at Ilsvika to weigh her down. V2 was towed to a position in Trondheimsfjord between Fagervika and Munkholmen, where it is thought she now rests perfectly preserved on the seabed, owing to low oxygen levels in the water. There are plans to raise and restore this aircraft." This text was lifted verbatim from a book self-published by R & F Petrescu in 2014. Their text was itself lifted, almost verbatim, from Aufklarer Volume 2 Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Aircraft and Units 1942-1945 (Luftwaffe Colours) by David Wadham, published by Midland Books in 2007. Midland Books is an imprint of Ian Allen, originally a specialist publisher. p.53 https://www.scribd.com/doc/62939689/Aufklarer-Vol-2-Luftwaffe-Reconnaissance-Aircraft-and-Units-1942-1945 The Pretrescus substituted 'BV 222 spare parts' for 'surplus material'. The wreck actually lies between Ilsvika and Munkholmen: http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/article45574.ece (article of 8.10.03, Adresseaviaen, Trondheim region newspaper). Robocon1 (talk) 12:15, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Text amended, cites added. Robocon1 (talk) 14:34, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

The article from Adresseavisen states that the plane found at 65 metres depth is a Short Sunderland that was sunk in November 1945 after a fire during maintenance. So it seems like the source does not corroborate what is written here. 84.214.248.39 (talk) 15:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

range
The ferry range (6,100 km) and endurance figure (6,860 km) given are in conflict with each other, at least one of both is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.181.65.76 (talk) 17:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)