Talk:Blood Fire Death

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Viking DEATH Metal
I will hereby argue that the title song (as I also perceive as Bathorys masterpiece #1) is Viking Death Metal - and not only that! He (Quorthon) also INVENTED Viking Death Metal right there. Correct me if you think I'm wrong but please don't come with shit.

What separates death metal from black metal here is the song style. Where black metal is somewhat restricted - death metal growls are open throat - and Quorthon is clearly on the latter. Blood Fire Death is pure melodic death metal in it's style - but as the theme for the song is a battle then viking death metal would suit it. Viking metal was nothing we were talking about in the 80's though (I was into death metal in the late 80's) - neither were we speaking of melodic death metal. Essentially what we were talking about was black metal - death metal - grindcore and hardcore. The other definitions have been discerned later on.

I would rather call the title song BFD Melodic Death Metal and I guess Quorthon was first also with this! But as Viking Metal is so widespread a concept nowadays then I let it pass with this - BUT there are no clear references to VIKINGS in the song BFD! Correct me if you think I'm wrong but I perceive it as a general war song probably medieval. As far as I know vikings did not have as large scale battles as is accounted for in Blood Fire Death! I would therefore say more like 1300's.

To summarize - the SONG BFD is Melodic (Viking??) Death Metal. The rest of the record BFD is essentially black metal.

1Chaan (talk) 20:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Melodic I'll give you, and while that may seem strange for a black metal song, I don't see much commonality with death metal. The guitar work is all very repetitive in the black metal style, very much unlike the thrash-derived complex riffing and chord changes of death metal. Agreed that it's not exactly black metal, but it mostly seems like the precursor to what he would eventually develop into Viking metal. You can certainly see the lineage to, say, Moonsorrow.

Of course, this is all useless conjecture, since as far as Wikipedia is concerned, if the sources say black metal and Viking metal, then that's what it is. ASWilson (talk) 04:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

But then I notice that there's only one source, and it's not particularly relevant. Hmm.ASWilson (talk) 04:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC) Well the song Blood Fire Death isn't black metal - that's for sure, and the other notable ("second wave") melodic death metal bands (Dark Tranquillity & Amon Amarth - the latter is also viking death metal btw) aren't based on thrash-derived riffing of Florida death, either. Chaan (talk) 03:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The songs are too slow to be Black metal and too melodic for death metal so i'm sticking with this being a viking metal album99.108.198.222 (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

This is clearly a black metal album. Death metal revolves around heavy riffing, low tunings, death growls, and gory lyrics. Viking metal is a division of both black metal and folk metal, not a real genre, but if you want to call it one, it has Norse themes, heavy riffing that is influenced by Norse folk music. This mostly isn't Norse influenced, nor is it death metal sounding. The vocals are black metal in sound, not death metal. This is black metal. There is a little bit of Norse stuff scattered, but this is still black metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iron Wizard13 (talk • contribs) 04:06, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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