Talk:Blood Sugar Sex Magik/Archive 1

Assumption?
I think that this statement is inaccurate:

"Some early CD pressings contained incorrect track lengths on the back cover. For example, "If You Have To Ask" was listed as 4:11 and "They're Red Hot" was listed as 1:44. This oddity has long been fixed."

I bought my CD copy of BSSM 2, maybe 3 years ago and it has the incorrect track lengths on the back cover. The store I bought it from is a very busy store that only opened in the mid to late 90s, so I can't imagine they'd have (or would ever have had) any early pressings of the album. I'm going to change the statement to reflect this. JedEgan 19:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Critics
"many critics feel that the Red Hot Chili Peppers' quality fell precipitously after this album."

What critics think this? Reference? Their last three have generally got more acclaim than BSSM.

^ allmusic don't think that for one thing...they see Blood Sugar as their best album.


 * I think the statement does not belong in the encyclopedia. Rolling Stone was very enthusiastic about Stadium Arcadium and also listed Californication on its list of greatest albums. It is true that BSSM may be their most acclaimed album, the statement implies a decline in quality which is an opinion that I do not feel is held by most critics. Aside from the dissatisfaction with One Hot Minute, the Chili Peppers post BSSM albums have been some of the most highly acclaimed albums in modern rock music.

"The 1993 hit "Soul To Squeeze" was originally recorded for BSSM and was subsequently left off. Other songs that were part of the original 25 songs recorded for the album were "Sikamikanico", found on the "Wayne's World" soundtrack, and a cover of Iggy and the Stooges' "Search and Destroy"; an instrumental entitled "Fela's Cock"."

i think at the end of the quote the name of the song is flea's cock as previously stated as a song in another part of the atical not fela's so i am going to change it --69.255.63.86 04:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a tribute to Fela Kuti an Afrobeat bassist. Fela is correct not Flea.

Sales
Anyone know how many units this has shifted? I'm sure it is more than the 7m of Jamiroquai's Travelling Without Moving, which would make this the biggest selling funk album ever, unless there is another album higher than both TWM and BSSM.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=55301 - 12 million copies - more than Travelling Without Moving. Californication has sold 15m, but i wouldnt class this as funk rock as its primary genre. What do people think? 88.110.67.144 12:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
I've removed the following from the main page because it is entirely unsourced:


 * The 1993 hit "Soul to Squeeze" was originally recorded for BSSM and was subsequently left off and replaced with the hit "Under the Bridge". Other songs that were part of the original 25 songs recorded for the album were "Sikamikanico", found on the Wayne's World soundtrack; a cover of Iggy and the Stooges' "Search and Destroy"; and an instrumental entitled "Fela's Cock".
 * "They're Red Hot", the Robert Johnson cover, was recorded on a hill outside the house at two in the morning. It features Chad Smith copying John Bonham's "Moby Dick" technique of drumming without sticks. If one listens carefully enough, the listener can hear cars surrounding the hill.
 * On "Breaking the Girl", an old Cliff Martinez trick was used by Chad Smith. He went to the junkyard and grabbed random items for himself, Anthony and Flea to utilize for percussion purposes. -actually this is confirmed by kiedis in scar tissue. If anyone can be bothered to look up the page number they can put this back in. 195.172.60.108 17:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Is the first Peppers album to prominently feature John Frusciante's trademark backing vocals, particularly his distinctive falsetto.
 * Anthony, Flea, and John were the only three that lived inside the house the entire time of the recording; Chad refused to because he believed the house was haunted.
 * During the production of BSSM ; all the tracks were recorded live and you can hear Rick Rubin's voice before "Suck My Kiss" and the traffic going by the house on "They're Red Hot", although this is due to the drums being recorded in the unusual location explained earlier. Also, on "I Could Have Lied", you can hear the faint sound of rain and traffic going past the house. In the intro to "If You Have to Ask" you can hear a "Woo!" and someone spit.

This does not really need a source, you can clearly hear these things. You don't even have to listen close. You can clearly hear Rick Rubin say "move it" just before "Suck my Kiss" as each song followed on from one another. On a different occassion you can hear the band cheering for John Frusciante as he plays his solo on "If you have to ask"


 * There is a trumpet on "Apache Rose Peacock" and a piano in "Mellowship Slinky in B Major", the trumpet played by Flea, and the piano also.
 * "Apache Rose Peacock" is a dedication to the city of New Orleans, a personal favorite place for Anthony. The song was never played live until Voodoo Fest 2006 in New Orleans.
 * The inside of the original album is rumored to include an orb (a type of ghost).
 * At the end of "If You Have to Ask" there is clapping and cheering for John, in amazement for his improvised solo.
 * There is a DVD called Funky Monks that shows their time at the mansion.
 * Rick Rubin, who produced the album, also produced Licensed to Ill by the Beastie Boys, some of the full-lengths by Run DMC and Slayer, and all of the Red Hot Chili Peppers' subsequent albums (One Hot Minute, Californication, By the Way, and Stadium Arcadium).
 * Whilst recording the album, John believed he felt the presence of ghosts in the house, including a woman in the room where he slept. He also claims to have had an erection all through the recording of the album as a result of the ghosts, claiming "a strong sexual vibe" in the house.
 * "Give it Away"'s drum track was recorded on an old Ludwig drum kit in the "conservatory" room of the mansion. According to Chad Smith, there were only 4 microphones used.
 * The album was so long, at 73:55, that there are only 5 seconds spare on the disc.
 * "The Power of Equality" is featured on the video game Tony Hawk's Underground 2.
 * Red Hot Chili Pepper's "Give It Away" intro used some of Public Enemy's "You're Gonna Get Yours" which is the first track of Public Enemy's first studio album, Yo! Bum Rush the Show.
 * Not all versions of this album had the Parental Advisory label on it, some just had a sticker on the front, warning that the album contained "Language Which Some People May Find Offensive". However most RHCP albums except Stadium Arcadium will have a warning label by many retailers.

Please feel free to put it back if sources are provided :)  Kamryn Matika  15:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed it again. Unless it can be incorporated into the article it should be left out.  S t. J immy 21:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

What the fuck are you talking about. Those things go very nicely into the article. And for the sourcing, you can just source some of those off the bat, like Chad not living there, how Give It Away was recorded, how the others were recorded, ect. all from Funky Monks. God, I hate a lot of you Wikipedians... Xihix 22:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Then fuck off. If it can't be included in the body of the article it's not relevant. It's the rules.  S t. J immy 20:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Anthony Flea and John were the only ones to stay in the house, Chad would ride out on jis motorcycle for Recording sessions, because he did believe the house was haunted. This was mentioned in "Scar Tissue" Anthony Kieidis' autobiography. I think you can put that section back in. It is officially sourced.

There is a 'ghost' on the inside cover. I can scan it in as I own a copy with the ghost. It is clearly visible on a photograph of the band, slightly covering Anthony Kiedis' face.

The trivia is relevant. It is interesting to know, and there was no plausible reason to remove it from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.243.80.78 (talk) 09:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Good article nomination on hold
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of July 23, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:


 * 1. Well written?: Blood Sugar Sex Magik marked guitarist John Frusciante's second album with the Chili Peppers; he, however, departed mid-tour due to the growing success and popularity it was receiving. - This should be reworded for flow. Otherwise it's ok.
 * 2. Factually accurate?: More internet sources would he helpful, since we don't all own Anthony's biography! Chart positions need refs.  Blood Sugar Sex Magik is often considered to be an influential and defining album on the 1990's, - who said?
 * 3. Broad in coverage?: ✅
 * 4. Neutral point of view?: ✅
 * 5. Article stability? ✅
 * 6. Images?: WP:FURG -

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — Giggy  UCP 23:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ - GA Giggy  UCP 00:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Aw man, I was going to come make Blood Sugar a GA article after I finished making Dookie FA'd! I had no idea it was improving so much. Great job, guys. Xihix 01:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Background section
This could do with a rewrite to clear up ambiguity and for general prose issues. I'd do it myself but I don't have the references available and I don't want to inadvertently change the meaning to something incorrect.

"Following the death of the band's former guitarist, Hillel Slovak, and consequent departure of drummer Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis and Flea intended to continue as a band, and seek out new members." This sentence doesn't seem to have the right tone. I think something better would be: "In x year the band's former guitarist Hillel Slovak died, and the consequent departure of Jack Irons left Kiedis and Flea searching for a new band member". Also - is Slovak called the 'former guitarist' because he died, or did he leave the band before he died? And the 'consquent departure' part seems a bit odd, as it implies Irons left because Slovak died, but doesn't really say why.

"Frusciante had, since then, accepted an invitation to become a member of Thelonious Monster, a punk rock band formed by Bob Forrest, an acquaintance of both Kiedis and Flea. Frusciante was asked by Flea once again to join the Chili Peppers, to which he promptly accepted." So did he leave Thelonius Monster or continue in both bands? It seems odd to say that Frusciante had joined another band, but promptly accepted the invitation to RHCP without saying what happened to his relationship with the other band.

"Drummer Chad Smith joined the band two weeks before pre-production of Mother's Milk, following numerous unsuccessful auditions." Unsuccessful auditions with who? RHCP or other bands?

"Although mildly successful, the production of the album was weighed down by producer Micheal Beinhorn; he convinced Frusciante to play with a heavy, metal feel, thus restricting the band's creative freedom." Who's opinion is it that it restricted the band's creative freedom? The sentence really should go: "which x felt restricted the band's creative freedom.".

I hope this doesn't come across as obnoxious rather than constructive :) Kamryn · Talk 07:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Redirection from RHCP page
The link from the Red Hot Chili Peppers page to The Greeting Song actually goes to Blood Sugar Sex Magik. why does it do this and how can it be fixed? Joel.labes 02:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That link needs to be delinked, which I'll do now. We sometimes make redirects like this in because whilst the songs themselves haven't had enough written about them for an article, someone may search for them and it is always helpful to redirect them to a relevant article :) Kamryn · Talk 15:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Plus this article does indeed mention "The Greeting Song" and its meaning. NSR 77  T C  00:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Pearl Jam Mistake
In the first sentence of the article, there is a mistake in that it says that the album is by Pearl Jam, which is incorrect, as it is by the Red Hot Chili Pepers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.143.237.248 (talk) 02:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that appeared to be vandalism made in the edit previous to the correction you made. Articles featured on the front page tend to be heavily vandalized due to wide visibility. But thanks for helping keeping this article in good shape anyway. --Brandt Luke Zorn 02:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

GJ
Looks good :) - KM - 212.219.57.50 10:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Original research
The last sentence of the "Writing and composition" section ends with "...possibly referencing anti-civilization theories." Possibly? According to whom? It sounds like original research and should probably be deleted unless someone can cite a reputable source who supports that theory about the lyrics' meaning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.74.242 (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

B-sides/bonus tracks
Why does this section keep being removed? I understand the removal of the original table that matches with the other RHCP album pages since it was too big, but why is a simple listing of the tracks being deleted? MiTfan3 15:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Fails WP:NOTE
A score of unregistered IP addresses have added information regarding downloadable content to Rock Band. This information fails to meet WP:NOTE and does not assert any significance in relation to Blood Sugar Sex Magik. Therefore, please do not add this information again. NSR 77 T C  19:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Per your note on my talk page, I took a look at the situation. I don't see how this fails our notability standards. Rock Band is a fairly popular game. In that this album will be available for download to be played in the game, that seems notable. It's one sentence and it's sourced. Also, the IP's talk page is non-existent. There should have been discussion outside of edit summaries. So, while it's not appropriate for the IP to be calling you guys "blowjobs", it's as equally inappropriate for you to label his good faith and, in my opinion, good quality edits as you have. A factually accurate and sourced sentence that perhaps was placed in the wrong section. Feel free to ask another admin, but I've put it in the body where I think it was most appropriate. Jennavecia  (Talk)  06:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * While Rock Band is indeed a popular video game its inclusion of Blood Sugar is not pertinent. There are dozens of compilation albums that use songs from Blood Sugar, but we are not at liberty to include them all; for example, those ubiquitous "Best of the 90s". Rock Band is, furthermore, a pretty recent occurrence. I can guarantee you it's a trendy, decade-relative fad that will probably die out just as every other one has. NSR 77  T C  20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The information regarding which songs are featured on Rock Band, Guitar Hero, and the like is more relevant to the game articles (there's some featured lists about which songs are on the games, I believe), than it is to the song/album pages themselves. In regards to song and album pages, it's about as notable as saying a certain song appeared in a movie trailer, which really isn't that notable unless a secondary source comments on it. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it doesn't belong on the Foo Fighters page then either? (The Colour and the Shape) 67.242.58.111 (talk) 04:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that downloadable content is now considered a new media format makes the release of full albums on Rock Band completely notable. The fact that you can now experience the album by "playing" it instead of only listening to it, to me seems like it is notable. Ultrabasurero (talk) 19:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur with the user above. And why not? Rock Band is becoming a more popular game, and with recent weeks, it seems like that playing albums, instead of listening to them, has been immensely popular. I agree that this info should be noted. TheLongingJAG (talk) 21:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * However, it is not relevant to the album itself. Someone does not visit this article to find out about Rock Band; they would go to the respective page for the video game. They, instead, come here to find out about the album's history. NSR 77  T C  23:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you feel this strongly about it, you're gonna have to go to every page of every album and song that has ever been released on a video game in the past. And check all of them, cause they all have it. The fact that the entire album is being rereleased in video game form is actually pretty big, and it has been noted on all other pages, so I don't see how you're just letting something in the history of this album just go by. People may not be coming to this page to see that it is in Rock Band, but they aren't going to be looking on the Rock Band page for it either. RHCP fans who love this album and come in to read about the history would be interested to learn that the band licensed everything from this album for the public to play in a game. Are they coming to see that a film named Funky Monks was made after the album? No. Are they coming to see how rapidly the album was written? No. It is an interesting fact that would interest the reader. That is what the mentioning of Rock Band will do. It is a way for the band to promote their music. Fuelie79 (talk) 05:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Soul To Squeeze
Shouldn't the song "Soul To Squeeze" be included as a single? --Funky Hum24n (talk) 13:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It is indeed a song culled from the Blood Sugar Sex Magik recording session, but was released separately as a stand alone single in 1993. NSR 77  T 16:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

B-sides infobox
This was something really that had to be done for a featured article. It did not even mentioned about the hendrix covers being b-sides, yet this infobox was consistent on the albums after BSSM. I finally added it. If anyone decides to edit it in any way, please let me know Suede67 (talk) 22:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As this article is about the album and not the singles, single b-sides are irrelevant. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Genres
Dear Mr. Helpful Genre-Adding Guy: This is a featured article, which means everything present is sourced to reliable sources. Please stop adding genres that are not accompanied by a reliable source. -- Andy Walsh  (talk)  22:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)