Talk:Blows Against the Empire

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Citations needed
I added several "fact" tags throughout the article noting where citations are needed. The article is a good read and does justice to a notable work. However, many statements are unsourced. We need to find reliable 3rd party sources that can be used to verify these. My intention here is not to discredit the article or statements i've tagged but rather to identify places in the article where citations are needed. Note that unsourced material is subject to removal so this is a relatively important aspect of Wikipedia editing. A visitor to an article should be able to read the entry and use the references to verify for herself that what is stated there is confirmed by other independent sources. Ronald Joe Record (talk) 19:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You're an idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.159.247.72 (talk) 21:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

"Skip" in the CD pressing?
The article mentions in Section 8.2 that there is "a noticeable "skip" in "Mau Mau (Amerikon)," obscuring part of the lyrics." This is not unique to the CD release. The same "skip" is present in the original LP version.

It occurs in the passage "...in the midst of yang is a smaller part of yin..." where the word "yang" is obscured by what sounds like a fast slapback echo of the syllable "ya" (e.g. "ya-ya-ya-ya") which does resemble the kind of digital "skip" one hears on a defective CD. But I clearly remember the same vocal glitch on the vinyl version I owned (and played until I wore the grooves off of it) in 1970. It is also in the downloadable version on iTunes. Also, only the vocal track exhibits this glitch. If it were a tracking error on the CD, ALL of the sound would "skip", not just the vocal part. Therefore it's unlikely that this was the fault of the CD pressing. So I'm removing the sentence that references this, unless there's a citation to back it up.

I have no idea what caused that glitch (if it was a 'glitch' at all and not deliberate) or how exactly it was done in the days before digital recording (I'm a recording engineer and I'm puzzled!) It could possibly have occurred if the mix engineer was using a separate tape recorder set up to produce the "tape echo" effect (common in studio mixing in the 1960s and 70s,) and inadvertently punched up the gain sent to the tape echo at that point, then upon hearing it happen, quickly pulled it back down. In those days, before automated mixing consoles, mixdowns were executed "on the fly" with the engineer (often with help from others in the studio) moving the faders and mute buttons manually as the track played to get the desired mix of sounds. It was much like a live performance, and usually several mixdown "passes" were recorded and the artist and/or producer would later pick the one he or she liked best. It may be that the one with the "glitch" was the best mix produced overall, and the producer (Kantner) decided to use it, glitch and all.

All speculation, of course - someone should ask Kantner about it someday... JMax555 (talk) 19:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's present on the original vinyl release as well. It's not a glitch; it's a joke.  In the midst of Yang is a smaller part of Yin -- and the word Yin is mixed in with the word Yang.  See?  Yin in Yang.  It's Kantner's humor. JoeD80 (talk) 17:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That's the best explanation I've heard yet. If it was truly deliberate, it could have been done by splicing short bits of analog tape together and dubbed in mixdown. A tricky job, but doable – I would have tried to get the end syllable of "yang" (the "ng") to be more prominent, because I've had that album since the day it was released and I never got the "joke". It could be done digitally with great precision nowadays, but for the old analog world it's some impressive tape splicing as it is.


 * Do you know of any references to Kantner describing the "joke"? It could go into the article (it's a notable bit of tape editing) if there's a published reference somewhere.JMax555 (talk) 23:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Narrative-gathering in Chicago?
Is this sourced? I would think it would be SF rather than Chicago-he mentions Speedway Meadow, and the Chicago reference was to the '68 convention and the riots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.125.54.65 (talk) 18:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Personnel
On the song "Starship", there is a tambourine or some other percussion instrument during Jerry Garcia's guitar solo (3:06-3:46). Any idea who plays it?Cbben (talk) 00:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Propose the remove "Blows Against the Empire" from the Jefferson Starship Chronology in Inbox
The Jefferson Starship band had nothing to do with the making of this album, so it seems inappropriate to list it in the Jefferson Starship Chronology. In fact, it seems the Jefferson Starship Chronology could probably be removed altogether. The history is so murky here that I think it would help the reader clarify the history of Jefferson Starship. Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Cheryl Fullerton

Your proposal is denied, shut up.