Talk:Blue-water navy

Turkey
It seems that Turkey according with the world Hierarchy of Todd and Lindberg list isn't even a green-water navy. But since Wikipedia Is a bad source then I think is ok that someone add its prefer countries in the World Hierarchy of Todd and Lindberg. Thanks --LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 19:56, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * the attached Todd & Lindberg ref from 2019 includes Turkey. The additional sources (×4) about the Turkish Navy that you attempted to remove are all from 2020/2021. I'm trying to understand the purpose of your edit. Do you believe the Turkish Navy isn't actually on the table, but should be? If so, do you think it should be on another level? (other than "blue water, level 4, regional power"?) And if you believe "Wikipedia is a bad source", then help improve it! -  wolf  20:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Todd and Lindberg classification system
It looks like people have been updating the table of navies by capability level according to their own views about the navies' capabilities, without sources for how to rank them. If I understand wikipedia conventions correctly, this is original research that does not belong on wikipedia. I've changed the table to match the book given as a source. It's an old source, and it might be reasonable to try to update it (I'd guess that it probably is more reasonable to call China's navy rank 3 rather than rank 4 now), but we need a source rather than editors' opinions. Unseemly Levity (talk) 04:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If you look a the previous post, as well as posts in the archives, you will need multiple comments about Todd & Lindberg being used as a source. -  wolf  04:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What Todd & Lindberg ref from 2019 were you referring to in the previous section? The only Todd & Lindberg reference mentioned in the article or talk page is from 1996. I don't see anything else in the archives about a more recent Todd & Lindberg source. Unseemly Levity (talk) 05:56, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * (I neglected to ping you in my previous reply.) Unseemly Levity (talk) 17:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It's been awhile now, I don't recall the circumstances of that comment from back then. Instead of hunting through the page history and various refs, I should, and now have, taken it on good faith that your edit is correct and have self-reverted. Sorry for the bother. -  wolf  08:44, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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