Talk:Bob Livingston

Resignation
The "strayed outside his marriage" bit is awfully charitable. What was apparent at the time was not just that Flynt information about an affair but that Flynt - and this is funny - believed that Livingston was a sicko (that's my own recollection of a television interview). The page following is apparently a grab from the Irish Times (which has a subscriber-only system for its archives). []142.232.51.249 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC) - It is incorrect to say that "Republicans....demanded Clinton's impeachment for having an affair". It wasn't the affair that he was being impeached for, it was the alleged lying under oath, alleged witness tampering etc.

See the articles of impeachment at http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/text/hres611r.txt

Lobbying for Turkey about Armenian Genocide
(RFC now concluded. See talk page at The Livingston Group for resolution.) VonBrunmarck 18:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sh000gun has repeatedly attempted to remove references to Livingston's controversial work lobbying the US government on Turkey's behalf. Sh000gun's edits appear to be politically motivated--he/she removed footnotes to independent articles that document the controversy (one footnote is to a New Republic article). If these edits were not politically motivated, Sh000gun should be willing to provide a rational response to the references, rather than simply deleting them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by VonBrunmarck (talk • contribs) 01:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

- Please explain why the content related to Livingston's lobbying for Turkey is being removed. I am willing to work to find alternate wording (under the condition that it doesn't obfuscate the facts, specifically by leaving out the fact that Livingston's lobbying pertains to the Armenian genocide). At this point I don't know what about the passage is triggering its removal. Please do not revert it again without explaining this, either in a comment or here, and without proposing a compromise. Otherwise, I'll be forced to request comments and/or a third opinion. VonBrunmarck 14:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

-- Sure enough, the passage about the Armenian genocide has been changed again, without comment. This time the passage has been changed to include factually incorrect information. I will not change the page any more; instead I am creating a request for comment.

The new sentence says: "The focus of this lobbying is on US relations as they pertain to international and historical issues affecting the Republic of Turkey, which denies that the aftermath of WWl in Turkey constituted anything other than open warfare."

In fact, the "aftermath of WW1" is not at issue. The early massacres of the Armenian Genocide started in the late 19th Century. The Genocide is typically regarded as getting especially bad on April 24, 1915, and lasting through 1917--still squarely within the years of WWI. As written, this sentence is mystifying anyway, because Sh000gun has removed any reference to Turkey's denial of the Armenian genocide. As written, the reader is left puzzled by Turkey's denial that these events "constituted anything other than open warfare." The reader is left to wonder what *other* than "open warfare" the events might constitute.

Here is--yet again--my own suggestion.

One important client of The Livingston Group is the Republic of Turkey. The focus of this lobbying is on US relations as they pertain to international and historical issues affecting the Republic of Turkey, who gave The Livingston Group over 13 million dollars since 2000 to lobby the American government. Critics contend that this lobbying is a form of genocide denial, --Turkey does not recognize the slaughter of up to 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 as a genocide, and does not want the American Government to recognize these events as genocide either.

(Also see the talk page of The Livingston Group for a similar debate.)

VonBrunmarck 20:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

See Also?
I would like to suggest removing the following statement: "Livingston was identified by FBI whistleblower, Sibel Edmonds, as a member of Congress who was part of a broad criminal conspiracy involving Turkish operatives and Representatives Dennis Hastert, Dan Burton, Roy Blunt, Bob Livingston, Stephen Solarz, and Tom Lantos.[13]" The only source for this sentence the self-published autobiography written of an author with no particularly relevant credentials. While this statement may be true (i have no reason to believe it is or is not), I don't feel like this sourcing is sufficiently reputable to be the sole basis for such a broad and incendiary charge.

Please note that this is my first time contributing a wiki page, and as such I may not be aware of the relevant procedures for suggesting an edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.44.58.159 (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Removed. Sorry it took a while. --GRuban (talk) 01:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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