Talk:Bob Turner (New York politician)

Numerical data contradiction
The numbers given in the article for the 2010 election results in this article are quite different from the results given in the article NY-9. I don't know which are correct. Neither set of results is sourced with a citation. Cheers. N2e (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Assumption of the office
He assumed the office on the date of his election. Please compare the discussion on a similar recent special election victor at Talk:Marlin Stutzman, which includes an email by the Office of the Clerk. Hekerui (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Not true at all, you don't assume an office until you take the oath, basic Government 101. Cmon here, I am changing it. If that was so, then we need to change Kathy Hochul's too. NBA2020 (talk) 21:07, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Rules may have changed with the new majority in Congress this year. Also, Mark Amodei's page says he was sworn in today, and someone already changed Turner's back to today. I tried searching the House Rules and found nothing. I would lean to the side of members assuming office when they are sworn in, but I will not change the page until there is a consensus. 174.63.34.96 (talk) 21:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read the other page you two, and remember that Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Hekerui (talk) 19:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

"Tabloid talk show"
A question has arisen in a couple of recent edits. I (User:N2e) had removed the wikilink to Tabloid talk show from the See also section of the article, as I could find no source for it in the article prose, and the term Tabloid talk show seems to be a pejorative term, which, to my mind, would not be okay in a Wikipedia article per WP:BLP.

KeptSouth disagrees, in good faith, and helpfully informed me of it on my Talk page. KeptSouth reverted and added the link back in.

This would seem to be a plain vanilla application of WP:BRD. I made a plausible change to the article (Be Bold), another user has Reverted, and we should now Discuss it here on the article Talk page. I will let KeptSouth put her/his own rationale in here. Others please weigh in. Cheers. N2e (talk) 12:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * SUPPORT removal, as proposer and the original editor who made the relatively minor change. RATIONALE:  The link ought to be removed because the term Tabloid talk show is a pejorative term and thus should not be associated with a person on a BLP without some reliable secondary source that would identify the person with the topic.  N2e (talk) 12:19, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - if one reads the article on tabloid talk show it is not a pejorative - it simply describes the genre of some daytime TV shows in the 1990s that Turner created/produced. "Trash TV" would be a pejorative. See alsos should be links to related articles that inform the reader. This one does. Maybe we would all prefer that Turner worked for PBS, but he did not. He was a successful media executive, and tabloid tv is a genre. KeptSouth (talk) 15:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Earlier discussion is at if anyone cares to read it, and here is one source, USA Today that explicitly makes the association; surely there are others  "Turner is a retired cable television executive who helped transform a former Cincinnati mayor and news anchor named Jerry Springer into a daytime tabloid TV talk show host." KeptSouth (talk) 15:33, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Office cleaning, new chair, etc
I revised the material recently added by another user to better reflect what 2 sources, Time and the NYPost, say, but I think this material, though funny, shouldn't be in the BLP, per WP:UNDUE, plus the fact that Turner's wife - not Turner himself who was making the requests. I will remove it in a few hours, if no one objects...or if anyone wants to remove it sooner, that's fine with me. KeptSouth (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Two days later, it's still up. It's funny how human nature works...whenever I get a text saying "I'll give you a call", I know 100% I will not get a call. An email asking for the appropriate time to call and saying "I will call..." will never lead to a call. I have my own theories on this, but I thought it was funny that you wasted the time to post your notice here without any follow up.-- Sc r ew ba ll 23 talk 23:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

✅::I was glad to see that you removed the material the day after I posted here and on your talk page, and that we agree that info about chair and rug cleaning doesn't belong in the article.--Regards--KeptSouth (talk) 15:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

No republican since 1920's?
The 9th congressional district has not been repesented by a republican since the 1920s is an true statement, but it is misleading. Since the 1920's, the 9th congressional district has covered different neighborhoods than the area as it does today. The area has been redistricted several times over the decades. Albert Bosch, a republican, lived in woodhaven and richmond hill, which is in the 9th congessional today but was in the 5th when he represented it in the 1950s. I can't seem to find district maps for back then, but he was replaced by Joe Addabbo Sr(a dem) who is from Ozone Park. It is safe to assume that Bosch represented at least a good portion of the Queens part of the district.Racingstripes (talk) 04:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything you said is true, but the statement is still valid. The ninth district, as are all districts, have been changed through time. It is simply inevitable that the borders have changed. In Europe, for instance, borders for kingdoms and monarchies changed multiple times, but that does not mean that the statement "Napoleon ruled over Spain and Germany for XYZ time" is incorrect just because the borders of Germany were different than the modern day. It is significant to the narrative of Bob Turner's biography, as it indicates that he represents a historically blue district. However, if you could find the changes that occurred in the 90 yrs to the borders, they could be added to the page on New York's 9th congressional district.-- Sc r ew ba ll 23 talk 05:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Obama less than Kerry
Listing the fact Obama did less than Kerry is important to the article because it demonstrates that the district may have been trending to the right, creating a balance to the many parts describing how Democrat it is. I appreciate the section that was added last night about it trending, but I still feel that this should be added as well since it was one of the few districts outside the south that this holds true. Thanks. --Politicsislife (talk) 14:30, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Tenure section
I am deliberately making this discussion brief, because the current dispute now revolves around only one issue.

One editor has repeatedly combined political positions taken during the campaign--before Turner was ever elected to public office--into the "Tenure" section, and has even placed these political positions after actions or statements the Turner made during his actual tenure. In an attempt to compromise and to avoid continual slow reversions, I have refactored the campaign election positions so they do not seem so out-of-place in the tenure section. However, I have reordered the section according to chronology by placing the positions he took during the campaign at the top of the section, rather than at the bottom of the section. As these earlier diffs show,, further discussion should occur should JK wish to reverse the chronology again. KeptSouth (talk) 07:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)07:45, 17 November 2011 (UTC)KeptSouth (talk)

Bob Turner (Congressman)
C'mon, he's a US Representative at least for the rest of this year. Use his title in the title. What you have "Bob Turner (Politician)" sounds contemptuous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.104.9 (talk) 00:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree 100%. I would like it to read Bob Turner (New York Representative) or Bob Turner (US Representative - New York) or something to that effect. There is already another politician named Bob Turner out there from Manitoba, which I think makes this a good change to make. Any opinions are welcome, please. --02:37, 1 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyLongIslander (talk • contribs)

Park51 is not a mosque
I have changed the designation in the article. If someone masks "Park51" as "Ground Zero Mosque," then they are playing into the bigoted fears raised by Islamophobes. This is not up to the standards of any encyclopedia. Shabeki (talk) 18:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I noticed that an Occupy Wall Street protestor was referred to in this article as "anti-free trade." For a moment, I thought I was on Conservapedia, lol. Shabeki (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * More people know it as the Ground Zero Mosque than Park51.Racingstripes (talk) 01:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering that it's neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero, I have no idea how this can be true, nor do I see anything supporting what you say. At worst, I believe it's just a common misconception that's just been repeated too often, like Napoleon Bonaparte being short or Viking helmets having horns. It's intellectually dishonest to refer to Park51 as a "Ground Zero Mosque," and it plays on bigoted fears as well. Shabeki (talk) 07:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to go off subject, but wasn't Occupy Wall Street protesting many of Obama's policies? So many conservatives were probably involved; I highly doubt they would refer to themselves as anti-free trade. In regards to this, as a resident of PA, I would think more people know it as "Ground Zero Mosque." I would say almost everyone in the country knows what that is, but only some NYers know it as Park51. I don't think that its that important or big of a topic though, and its probably more politeering from both sides in my opinion to keep this edit war going. Shouldn't make a difference, his political career ends in two months, just saying MavsFan28 (talk) 02:59, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Given that this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, it's probably better to use the more accurate term than one that was created for the sake of sensationalism. After all, the wikipedia article for Intact dilation and extraction isn't named "Partial Birth Abortion." Shabeki (talk) 07:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, all I was saying was that's how way more people know it. I would definitely go with the official name of it. MavsFan28 (talk) 15:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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