Talk:Bobby Walthour

Nicknames
Wikipedia MOS is very explicit we do not put common nicknames in in quotes. The example is do not put Bill for William. Bobby for Robert is another example.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:47, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not what the MOS says. Pay attention to such things as the text concerning a "professional alias." 166.149.176.16 (talk) 22:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I still think that is what the Manual of Style says. It says when the nickname is common we do not need to include it. With Walthour different sources say Bob or Bobby. This is just the regular and common nicknames.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The Cycling Archives article on Walthour for example gives his nickname as Bob. This suggests that Bob and Bobby were just used as they often are as regular nicknames for Walthour. We do not have clear evidence which one he used most often even.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is the relevant Manual of Style text "It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name. If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation) used in lieu of a given name,[j] it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name. Example:

Use: William Henry Gates III Avoid: William Henry "Bill" Gates III" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/BiographyJohn Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not the complete relevant text, and I must conclude that your deliberate omission of exceptions, variations, etc shows your unwillingness to discuss the matter openly and honestly. And "not always necessary" does not mean generally forbidden. Wikipedia policies and guidelines are written in standard English, not the peculiar Lambertine dialect you write in. 166.149.176.33 (talk) 15:38, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, Mr. Lambert is correct about policy here. This is a common hypocorism. The first sentence should use his full birth name only. The title should use his common name (the hypocorism). I have reinstated his changes and moved the article. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:09, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Use of only last name
I removed the use of Bobby in the first reference after the opening because the general guideline is after the first mention we only use the last name of the person to refer to them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)