Talk:Boca Raton, Florida

Cleaning
I've cleaned and cleaned, but I just can't seem to get it right. The layout still seems obtuse. Someone got an idea? ReignMan 21:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

old dixie seafood?
why would we want to plug a restaurant? Especially one that is not even a big part of boca culture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.234.14 (talk) 13:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Reverting edits
Now why does everyone remove my panoramic photos? The user (no name, just an IP) stated that is shows nothing unique about the city, but it shows, the city! Seriously, I'm working on a skyline pic, but the pano is just for reference, it goes because it's a photo of the city, and this article is lacking those photos so badly. I've been busting my ass gettting all of these photos, and don't like it when someone deletes them without putting up a suitable replacement.

Also, the turkeys? That IS unique! Why delete the wild turkey photo? They exist, and they highlight the wildlife of the city... Jeez. If you're going to delete my photos, at least GET OFF YOUR FAT ASS AND MAKE A BETTER ONE!

Anyway, I'm in the process of writing and photographing a history of the city's east side, which has litteraly, been built twice. We need to find good references for this section, or crete a new article. Believe it or not, Boca was once a warehouse and industrial area, I have found remains of many old sites and via the gentry and historical society, have confirmed the presence of a rail yard at Yamato road on the FEC tracks, which was used to load trucks I believe. There are also some remains of buildings that were removed in the 60s-70s, and some that were rebuilt. This will be a good story to tell, and it's really interesting!

Also, the I-95 pic is temporary, and the Palmetto Park Road pic is probably not the best. I'll be replacing the former soon, that latter, later. ReignMan 07:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

''ReignMan: A replacement photo is not required and your above language is not appreciated or appropriate. You seem to be too emotionally involved for the overall purpose of this site.''


 * Nice, leave an unsigned comment and make it italic for effect. No, you're dead wrong.  We have a B grade article, it should be better.  Go read a good article, and see that it has lots of photos and facts and you don't have to search for 12 hours to find the info you need.  My problem is people erasing my photos (taken of things, in the city, that highlight sections of the article) and erase them, because they don't have the "touristy" quality that Boca is known for.


 * Well people, here's a fact, Boca Raton is not a tourist attraction, it's a city. It's a major city at that, the G8 has met here, major world events have transpired here (IE, sexual harassment laws began as Lifeguards vs. City of Boca Raton, etc), we have international name recognition, and we have actual roads and buildings, too.  We need tons of facts and info, B grade is not good enough.  I want to see every fact, figure, and trivia bit you can possibly fit in there.  Start with a summary, then go into detail.


 * Wikipedia is the greatest tool of knowlage in history, and it may erase the Alexandria Library fire's effect on learning... Imagine what would have been if that never happened?  Columbus would have probably landed on the moon in 1492.  So lets take this tool and use it.  It's up to us to keep it in working order, and to do that we need to provide all the knowlage we can.

ReignMan 04:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Boca's Architecture
Both out of architectural tradition and out of the strict building codes and the immense amount of red tape involved in obtaining a building permit, Boca has become home to some very distinct styles of architecture, which have been emulated all around the world. I feel more images would be justified, but am considering creating another page to document this style of architecture. Thoughts? WhoMe? 13:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

''I'm working on that, added a photo. ReignMan 06:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)''

section/paragraph removed
I just removed some material about why car dealerships are located in Delray Beach. I believe that those dealerships have been located in Delray Beach since long before Boca restricted advertising. Prove me wrong by finding reliable sources that say otherwise.

''Boca has had such rules since it's inception. ReignMan 06:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)''

I also removed the weather section that was primarily about damage caused at the airport by Wilma. A request for citations had been attached to that section for quite a while. Re-insert only what can be cited from published reliable sources. -- Donald Albury 22:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, the hangar fell down, I know this because I saw it. Don't know of a more reliable source, but I'm not the one who put it anyway, I don't really care. But it IS true, I can provide photo proof. ReignMan 07:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Town Center... the center?
I believed, Town Center wasn't considered the central area of Boca Raton. Wasn't it the Resort and Club/coastal area?

Town Center was called Town "Center" due to it being smacked down in the middle of Boca Raton "incorporated and not," as well as the fact that the Boca Raton Mall held the rights of the name. --AZ&#39;sReincarnation 16:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

As someone who has grown up in this community prior to Town Center mall even being constructed, I can tell you it was considered "west" in the late 1970s when originally built. In the 1980s and 1990s it became more central as new development was focused westward. Only in the past few years were the city limits pushed west to include the mall in the city proper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.93.219 (talk • contribs)


 * Yes, but people usually think of what I said about Boca due to numerous motion pictures and such. I live a few blocks away from Town Center and have seen it thrive, die, being recalled to life, and prosper. But do what you want about this. --AZ&#39;sReincarnation 03:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Boca Thugs
I really want to do a section about the "fake" thugs and young "criminals" which are mainly poseurs in the city. Tee hee...I won't, lol.


 * That would be pointless as there's poseurs all over the U.S. --AZ&#39;sReincarnation 03:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I put in a reference to actual gang activity in the city as per law enforcement records. There are many "thug lite" creatures in Boca, but there are also real, hard criminals. Make no mistake, Boca Raton is not without it's share of violent crime. My neighbor was murdured, for example. ReignMan 12:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Review of article
ReignMan over at Minneapolis (recently featured status) asked us to give him some comments on this article and how it can be improved. Here's a breakdown of my comments: Lastly, the article has a start, it's not great and more resembles stubs of information than an article that just needs help. It needs to be filled out with content before pictures really do anything helpful. .:DavuMaya:. 09:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro: I am immediately confused about the geopolitical status of Boca Raton. If thousands live in unincorporated areas, then isn't there a Boca Raton metropolitan area? Or have you combined that information into the city's own article. We distinctly separate our metro area with the city proper. Minneapolis is very different from Minneapolis-St. Paul (Twin Cities metro).
 * Intro: The second paragraph is a news item not written in encyclopedic tone. It also tells me little about why Boca Raton is important. An intro summarizes the entire article and in that way tells me the significance of the article itself. Is the sole purpose of Boca Raton to continually annex its neighbors? Perhaps the intro should reflect a bit of the development and crime (ie: "Boca Raton is one of the wealthier cities in south Florida, home to the three largest gated communities and contains southern branches of several major corporations. Boca Raton is also a major tourist hub in the summer as well as having undue publicity inconnection to recent national news stories on crime.")
 * I think you already know this article does not conform to template for U.S. cities, it should it would flow better
 * History: It rolls on and on. The last paragraphs should be separted into an Economy section. Town Center should be in a Culture or Infrastructure section. And uhhhhhh history before 1904 should be elaborated. Raton is of indigenous origin? Ok, where are the Native American tribes? Why were the Spanish there?
 * Pictures: Are very helpful. I see there are quite a few of them already, it helps give me as an outsider who knows nothing about your town, an idea of how you see the city. Pictures are great of course BUT some are unnecessary, well IMO, include only pictures which relate directly to Boca Raton as a city and not simply because something happens to be in Boca Raton.
 * Geography: perhaps you can tell me more about how the area formed: tectonic plates? cataclysmic monsoons? glacier drainage? meteor? How does the landscape affect and not affect the development ontop of it? Rivers? Lakes? Creeks? Tunnels are alright, they're more Infrastructure though. Geography is purely about nature.
 * Politics: NEVER use political words unless you have a direct source. Otherwise "non-partisan" is a POV, your opinion and does not adequately assess what the Council does anyway. How many people are on the Council? Were they always a Council? When did this form of govt come into place? Where is City Hall, how is government managed and distributed? What depts? What districts do your congressmen represent? how about state government?
 * Language: Whats a substantial number of Jewish people? 5000, 20,000? Lots of numbers are substantial compared to the city pop and the metro pop, BE SPECIFIC here. .36% of what? Adding a section of ancestry could be helpful to paint the picture of what you people look like.
 * Areas west of Boca Raton: This is not a proper section nor heading. It should be combined into either the History section or Infrastructure section.
 * Controversies and crime: is only a proper section IF indeed the crimes RELATE to Boca Raton. If they just happen to be in Boca Raton then it does not belong in this article. Because there is not enough of each topic, they should be combined into one or two paragraphs detailing WHY crime is an issue in Boca Raton (which appears to be related to computers)
 * Boca Raton in popular culture belongs in the Culture and Arts section.

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Excessive discussion of schools
I have once again removed the excessive descriptions of local schools from this article. If the schools are notable and have their own articles, just link to them. Schools are not the responsibility of the City of Boca Raton, and often have students from outside of the city. This article is not the place for detailed discussions of the schools. -- Donald Albury 12:06, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

"Boca Raton is the "spam capital of the world", being the source of a surprisingly high fraction of all spam generated worldwide,"
Thanks for this part, proof that USA are among the worlds biggest (internet-)terrorists! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.228.223.120 (talk) 13:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Everglades University
I'm surprised that there isn't a page for EU--it's a small private school (read: around 600 students) that started in the 50s as an aviation school and has since added degrees in alternative medicine and business, as well as two branch campuses (Sarasota and Orlando). EU can be found by the U.S. Department of Education's search engine (which means it's accredited) and I think it's worth mentioning (and starting a page for), but it's a lot of work and I'm too lazy to do it. (Besides the fact that I no longer hang out on here because I got tired of the nitpickers hacking my work to pieces.) The school's web address is www.evergladesuniversity.edu and I think you'd be able to get enough information to start a page. If not, call or email someone whose email address/phone number...they always seem friendly and willing to help.

Thanks in advance to whoever puts in the effort! ~*~A Loyal EU Student~*~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.225.242.147 (talk) 01:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You would need more than a source for accreditation and the school's web site to pass Notability (organizations and companies). --  Donald Albury  14:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Crime
I removed the silly picture with a vandalised door. It's nothing special, everywhere has graffiti.

Also, the caption was incorrect. According to the website, the operating gangs are exclusive to Boca Raton. Geographically, the city is bound to be a victim of more gang activity due to its closeness to more lucrative places gang-wise, than the outer-city limits areas. Palm Beach County Police are also deemed more efficient than the municipalities'. AZ&#39;sReincarnation (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

War section
The following excerpt from the article is full of grammatical, orthographic errors, and seems to be misrepresenting historical fact:

"Little people know about the war of boca raton. The spanish got mad at the japanese for growing crops on their land. So, with the help of the british they went to war. This small Battle was a factor in starting WWI"

Since I have no knowledge of the events, it would be nice if someone who does would fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.170.64.83 (talk) 19:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Youth culture
I think there should be a section in the article about the youth culture of boca raton..Many people decide to move to our city to raise families, and I think it would be useful to those people and others to include a section like this. I also think it really, really needs to be discussed somewhere publicly, because I believe it to be a problem that has not been given its due attention.

For instance, having grown up in Boca Raton, there is really nothing to do here for kids. At all. It always seemed that once you hit 13, Boca wanted to see neither hide or hair of you until you became 18. Even then, still not much to do for those in that awkward 18-20 year old stage. Too young for bars, but too old for playgrounds.

When you're a teenager in Boca, you aren't allowed in stores because of how old you are, you can only hangout in strip mall parking lots, and i've had more than my fair share of friends get arrested for "loitering." And don't even get me started on the way they deal with kids over at shadow wood. People getting arrested for hanging out with friends before a movie. And I remember the countless times i've seen 5, even 6 cop cars and private security stationed there. Are we really paying the police to sit around and harass our kids? 5 police officers AND private security? It seems like an excessive, expensive, and unnecessary amount of adults to deal with some unruly teens. Granted, for every three good teens, there's one or two pricks that do things like goose step and sieg heil in front of the jewish folks, vandalize stuff......but I believe these things are symptoms of the real problem, as opposed to the problem itself.

I also believe that the way the youth is treated in Boca is leading to the rise in drug use i've seen. More and more kids are getting into "blues" or y'know, smokin pain pills in layman's terms. With nothing to do, ever, I don't think it should come as a surprise to anyone that more and more kids are using. Not just blues, i'm talking about everything. But we shouldn't be surprised, if you were kicked out of your own city wouldn't all you want to do is go smoke pot on the beach? I think the drug trade in Boca, fueled by this rise in users, is spurring the crime. My friend was mugged in southwind lakes (formerly american homes) the other day. Someone was murdered there sometime last year. What's going on? This never happened this frequently when I was growing up. I think it needs to be talked about somewhere.

It's not all bad, in East Boca they have the teen center. The skate park there was a cool place to hangout, I think that their no PDA policy though is stupid. Kids are gonna kiss eachother. Y'know, many people might say "but oh there are tons of things! like the beach, the coconut cove waterpark, the teen center!" But the reality is these are all nice things, but all built around just that...being nice things. Not things that are actually meant to be used and really geared towards kids. The waterpark is closed half the year, most of the beach is private, and the teen center is small.

Unfortunately, other than anecdotal evidence I have no other significant documentation to back up my claims. I'm hoping someone else does, maybe then we can work together to throwup a section in the article that somehow addresses the issues i've raised. I believe it's incredibly important to address these issues, because no one else in the city seems to pay much attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vosentreste (talk • contribs) 18:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Add external link
I would like to add an external link to The Coastal Star (http://thecoastalstar.com/). This is a credible monthly newspaper offering news of the area in a zoned edition for Boca Raton. Dhartz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC).

Local Boosterist Bias?
This article tries to hard, in its present form, to magnify the importance of Boca Raton. Many, many postal address areas exceed city-limit populations. It's fairly common. This article should try to be more objective and present Boca Raton in its historical context, not relying on comments such as "largest city in land area" between Pompano Beach and West Palm Beach. Ryoung 122 21:20, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move
Boca Raton, Florida → Boca Raton – WP:PRECISION, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC — rybec   00:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC) ❌ Sorry everyone, I didn't know about the USPLACE quirk. — rybec   21:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:USPLACE In ictu oculi (talk) 01:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not currently on AP list. The new edition is coming out July 2, 2013, and we can make any changes we need to then. Apteva (talk) 02:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Moral support This move would be a good idea to conform to those policies, but unfortunately, USPLACE overrides them. --BDD (talk) 19:50, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Ignore WP:USPLACE which does not have broad community consensus support (it is consistently opposed by significant numbers for precisely the guidance it gives in cases like this).  Follow WP:CRITERIA at WP:AT.  Boca Raton is WP:PRECISE; Boca Raton, Florida is unnecessarily precise, and of course it is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (Boca Raton redirects here).    --B2C 20:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Boca Raton, Florida is the appropriate level of precision. Omnedon (talk) 00:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per WP:USPLACE. Zarcadia (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize for being unaware of a quirk rule (that some believe should be rescinded precisely because it is a quirk). --B2C 22:46, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a quirk. It makes sense for United States places. Omnedon (talk) 23:01, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support The unqualified name is already a redirect here so it is either unambiguous or the primary topic for the name. We should use the shortest name that is sufficient to identify the topic. It is indeed a quirk why we have to append the larger containing entity to name articles for cities in the United States where no disambiguation is needed. --Polaron | Talk 04:31, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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Pronunciation "close to Spanish"
The article claims that "[r]esidents of the city have kept the pronunciation of Boca Raton similar to its Spanish origins."

/ˌboʊkə rəˈtoʊn/ is obviously an anglicised pronunciation, and so it is not really "similar to its Spanish origins". The non-native's pronunciation using /ɑ/ in the final syllable (and possibly in the first) is, in a sense, closer as it is a pure vowel rather than a diphthong. &mdash; 89.241.140.132 (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

The Spanish name
In the first sentence it says the Spanish name was Boca Ratón. I think that's wrong. To my knowledge that name was never used in Spanish, at least not in print, until some time after the establishment of the modern city. I think it should go. Anyone disagree? deisenbe (talk) 17:26, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Mosque considered as "significant" for the Boca Raton History Timeline
There are no specific events on the timeline such as construction of churches and synagogues, thus having just a mosque built is pushing a certain narrative. Other events such as when the population hit a certain threshold, presidential debates were held, or when hurricanes occurred do not compare to the simple event of having a mosque built. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamatoro4d (talk • contribs) 08:10, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


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Raton
In the etymology section, the most common mispronunciation is inferred. Surely I'm not the only one who'd go for "Rayton" instead.

I'm not convinced either that the re-spelling in the opening is any useful. Should be replaced with a spoken word.

Splićanin (talk) 13:18, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

The respelling in the beginning is standard as it is the IPA, and also has the approved English phonetic spelling. Using the IPA and English phonetic spelling is the only approved Wikipedia standard. Using a word would not be helpful do to different accents. As for the common mispronunciation, I believe that Rayton is not common, but I have no citation for this. Shurricane (talk) 13:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)