Talk:Boeing Business Jet

Max range
From the Gulfstream V article: Range is increased to 6,750 nautical miles, mostly due to reductions in aerodynamic drag. This elevates the Gulfstream 550 to the longest range business jet in the world.

Is this true? --Jumbo 02:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

787s in BBJ configuration
Since Boeing's site for Orders and Deliveries includes orders for the 787 for its BBJ division, it would be a good time to include some information about it in the main article.

Boeing Business Jets are not just 737s anymore
Since Boeing has confirmed that it has sold 747s, 767s, 777s and 787s as Boing Business Jets for the VIP Transport market, it is time to change this article and not refer to them as only 737s in the lead paragraph. Here is a suggestion:

The Boeing Business Jet series are factory conversions of the Boeing 737, 747, and 787 airliners for the corporate jet or VIP transport market. Depending of the plane selected for conversion, a BBJ can seats between 25 and 100 passengers within a luxurious configuration. This may include a master bedroom, a washroom with shower(s), a conference/dining area, and a living area in the most common layout. The Boeing Business Jet is a 50/50 partnership between Boeing Commercial Airplanes and General Electric. Many of these aircraft also have the ability to travel non-stop to any location in the world.

Originally, the program was only designed to convert Boeing 737 jets, but has recently been expanded with the purchased of 3 Boeing 747 and 4 Boeing 787 in 2006. It is Boeing's policy of not revealing the identity of the purchaser of BBJ jets and it shows up on its order and delivery web site under "Boeing Business Jet".

There are no listings of other Boeing jets being converted to BBJs on Boeing's web site and, therefore, do not seem to be part of the official BBJ program. However, there have been reports of Boeing jets being purchased and later converted for VIP transport. One example of this is a used Boeing 767-200 that was purchased by the founders of Google, Sergey Brin and Larry Page, and later converted. 

Actually, it is official that the 787 and 747-8 are part of the BBJ program. However, the term "BBJ" usually refers to the Boeing 737 model. user:mnw2000 15:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Orders and Deliveries of BBJs
Totals as of October 2006:

user:mnw2000 17:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Self-contained airstairs
Self-contained airstairs for landing at airports with limited ground support

I MAY be wrong, but if I'm not mistaken it's not a BBJ-only feature. All 737s (at least NG) have built-in airstairs. Leo (talk) 15:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure what help the airstairs would be in landing as they would be stowed! MilborneOne (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Roman Abramovich's B767
Roman Abramovich flies a private B767-300ER (tail No. P4-MES). Maybe it's worth including in this article? Leo (talk) 22:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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Protected edit request on 16 August 2015 regarding 747VIP max speed
The maximum speed for the 747 VIP is listed as 1.1 Mach. This is unreasonable.

At the bottom of page 55 of this document http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/misc/A20WE.pdf under airspeed limits, it shows the Mmo = 0.9 for the 747-8. This should be the listed maximum speed for that airframe.

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 * Yes check.svgDone the MMO of M1.10 was the work of User:AgustinusHal; s/he has been blocked as a Sockpuppet. YSSYguy (talk) 02:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Questions about Boeing 777 and a Baggage limit controversional
Since what the Boeing "Triple-seven" has an Wing area of 5,500 sq ft? Why the article of Baggage limit is totally deleted? How do you feel about B777 that using four engine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshonHal (talk • contribs) 07:40, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Do not make any harrasment to meet 777X specs and regulation, including invalid weight of that aircraft on that Business Jet and the weight of Boeing 777-8 and its VIP via technical data is on progress.

The official weight of B-789 from Boeing is 277,000 pounds.

The first edit shown that the Mass of B789 VIP is 305,000 pound.

Are this statement is completely obvious? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshonHal (talk • contribs) 08:12, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Your edits were of very poor quality. If you truly believe that the baggage limit for a 777 VIP is 30kg because that's what it is per passenger on Garuda Indonesia's 777s, then frankly you have no business editing. You cannot compare a 777 fitted out as a 300-seat airliner with a flying mansion that may have as few as four passenger seats. The baggage limit may be 15,000kg, we don't know - it is whatever the owner wants it to be, subject to the limits of available space, centre of gravity and the MTOW of the aircraft. Among your edits, you changed the 777 from having two engines to four engines. There is no such thing as a four-engine 777. An airliner cabin is as light as possible to maximize payload so the airline can make money. The empty weight of every VIP jet will be different because they all have custom interiors, with wood panelling, bathrooms, beds, big-screen TVs and couches etc.YSSYguy (talk) 08:25, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've changed the weights for the BBJ 777 to those for the BBJ 777-200LR as quoted by Boeing as per here.Nigel Ish (talk) 11:38, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Boeing 737 MAX is now available on Boeing Business Jet
I just create a new model and its specifications for that BBJ MAX 8. Thanks for the support — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshonHal (talk • contribs) 02:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your unexplained deletion of the specifications for the 777 business jet. Please stop making these random and unsourced changes.Nigel Ish (talk) 10:57, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This was a much better effort than his earlier ones, more-or-less constructive and certainly didn't touch the 777 specs as far as I can see, so I have reinstated his edits while fixing a couple of glaring inconsistencies. Still need a source for specs such as wing area, wing sweep, runway length etc. YSSYguy (talk) 14:12, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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Unit cost (infobox) needs citations/correction
I've added a  to the unit cost in the infobox. Over 900 million US$ seems way to high considering that the most expensive 747 is around 350 million. I didn't want to remove this figures b/c I'm not entirely sure, but if you agree that they're wrong please do so --Daimpi (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You are quite right to question those numbers, but the recent cited change to the unit cost, stating US$80 million for a 737BBJ is also clearly incorrect; that figure is derived from a five-year-old article and is less than the current list price of a 737 airliner version. YSSYguy (talk) 05:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Cockpit crew or total crew?
The Specifications table Cockpit Crew figures should be revised. All of those aircraft can be operated with a cockpit crew of 2. On very long flights, one or more in-flight relief crew members might be carried. Nolween (talk) 15:30, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Recent changes to specifications. Sources
Are any of the recent changes to the specifications sourced - if not they should be reverted.Nigel Ish (talk) 13:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Boeing 777 aircraft in a slump. Sources
The Boeing 777 airspeed was intended to Mach 0.92 due to restriction. However, some of the security defense and Ministry affair blame about the data key of that 777 that the operating max speed is M 0.89 KaplanAL (talk) 6:59, March 23 2017 (UTC-7) —Preceding undated comment added 13:59, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Huh? What sources?? - BilCat (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

The sources is comes from and {{cite web|url=http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/startup/pdf/777_perf.pdf |title=777 performance summary due to overrun (talk) 12:44 AM, April 15 2017 (PDT)

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Indicated air speed error. Sources
According to the sources of Speed of sound, the Mach 1.0 were checked to 343 meters per second or 666.3 knots per hour, not 340 m/s. But the maximum speed of Boeing 787 Dreamliner is only 323 m/s, not 325.85 m/s. Consensus of two aircraft are all insane in the Boeing company. KaplanAL (talk) 01:28, April 27 2017 (Eastern Daylight Time) —Preceding undated comment added 05:08, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

472,900 pounds or 485,300 pounds?
I don't care about the mass of 747 VIP, 472,900 pounds. According to the, 485,300 lbs is the real mass of that 747 with four GEnx 1B70. So, the older version is not the works of Joe Sutter. KaplanAL (talk) 02:38, May 3 2017 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Boeing 777X and its alternative fuel with an copyright violation
The Boeing has limit the takeoff weight to 775,000 pounds. The MTOW of 869,000 pounds in B-779 is looking bad. However, Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg and its work convict solution to run the engine with alternative fuel. KaplanAL (talk) 03:31, May 20 2017 (Eastern Daylight Time) —Preceding undated comment added 07:31, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Specification
I removed the specification section as comparing the 737 with a 747 doesnt really add any value - readers can use the original pages for info. The removal was reverted but the reason why made no sense in English. I will remove it again unless anybody has a rationale for comparing hugely different aircraft types. MilborneOne (talk) 16:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Specifications
Why specifications of BBJ1 is missing? WP:RECENT?? --Now wiki (talk) 06:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Because the ref does not include it. A ref for the BBJ1/2/3 can be found, but remember they are very similar to the BBJ MAX 7/8/9 except for the range, which is noted in the text anyway.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 20:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The BBJ Max 7 is a longer aircraft than the BBJ1 and has four (4) overwing exits compared to the BBJ1 which has only two (2). AlexanderCraker (talk) 14:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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