Talk:Bog/Archive 1

Expansion request: Bogs vs. swamps
Nice. Can a note be made of how to distinguish a bog from a swamp?

Good question. Are swamps a feature of warmer climates than bogs?--JBellis 18:28, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Request notice removed - See Wetland (RJP 21:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC))

Quick question: I see that you say the world's largest wetland is in

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Category
Do folks think it might be worthwhile to make a Category:Bogs as a subcategory off Category:Wetlands? That seems like it would be better than trying to maintain the list of bogs, but on the other hand deciding which pages go in which category might be splitting hairs. McGhiever 03:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

POV Issue
"These industrial uses of peat threaten the continued existence of bogs and thereby biodiversity. More than 90% of the bogs in England have been destroyed." <-- this is a rather heated issue involving many different views. It would be nice if it was re-worked and if it actually showed some sources for the allegations.

this is cool


 * Looks like http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/3942167.stm and http://www.rspb.org.uk/ourwork/policy/water/water/peat_bogs/index.asp are where that stat is coming from. (I'll update the article tomorrow -- I don't have time right now, unfortunately.) CSWarren 23:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
While very interesting, the triva peice about the use of "Bog" as a slang word for toilet dosen't seem perticularly relevent or enciclopediatic.(no offense to the person who wrote it, it is inturiging, just perhaps not sutied for this article?) Correct me if there is somthing i'm not getting.ScientificAndrew-merican 01:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC) :)

Interwiki
I wonder why there's a star displayed in front of the german interwiki link. de:Moor is not marked as excellent. -- 790 (talk) 17:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Intro edits
I've removed some stuff which doesn't belong in the intro but which is still interesting, and might be placed somewhere, viz.: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooke (talk • contribs) 22:55, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Extensive bogs cover the northern areas of the U.S. states of Minnesota and Michigan, most notably on Isle Royale in Lake Superior. The pocosin of the southeastern United States is like a bog in that it is an acidic wetland but it has its own unusual combination of features. In certain areas such as Ireland and Scotland, coastal bogs are frequently intruded upon by low lying dunes called Machairs.

The British town of Blackpool is believed to get its name from a long gone drainage channel which ran over a peat bog. The water which ran into the sea at Blackpool was black from the peat and formed a "black pool" in waters of the Irish Sea. Cooke (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

BOGS
I am currently studying BOGS. I find them quiet specail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.104.19 (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC) interesting these whith listed castlesPrisms and rain (talk) 12:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Acrotelm and catotelm
Coulds somebody develop this subject on the article? Dentren |  Ta lk  09:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Terminology
Reading A guide to the Vegetation of Britain and Europe by Polunin and Walters I've found the following terminology:

Mire. A general term used by ecologists for soils and plant communities where there is an accumulation of peat: there may may be either alkaline (fens) neutral (intermediate or transitional mires), or acid (bogs). Following this definition, mire and bog are not synonimous: a bog is a mire but a mire is not necessarily a bog.--Carnby (talk) 09:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Acidic conditions - what's the nature of the connection?
This article makes a connection between bogs and acidic conditions, but doesn't make it explicit exactly why bogs only occur in such conditions. Is it because acidic conditions lead to incomplete decomposition of plant material, or something else? I think this is a serious omission. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:31, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Recreating an artificial peat bog
Recreating an artificial peat bog. This might be informative on peat bogs. Komitsuki (talk) 11:26, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

etymology
Is the english word bog have anything thing to do with the Persian word bog? which refers to a garden or natural habitat. I ask because the English word Paradise is an English burrowed word from the Old Iranian root attested in Avestan as pairi.daêza or simply, the Garden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 10:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Type of wetlands: four or six?
This article says four; the article on fens says six. Which is it? J L G 3 9 2 6 03:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Depends how you count classes and subclasses. No 'right' answer. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:53, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Bogs, Fens & Mires
Bog says:

"A bog is a mire that accumulates peat... In some cases, the water is derived entirely from precipitation, in which case they are termed ombrotrophic (rain-fed)."

Mire says:

"There are two types of mire – fens and bogs. A bog is a domed-shaped land form, is higher than the surrounding landscape, and obtains most of its water from rainfall (i.e., is ombrotrophic) while a fen is located on a slope, flat, or depression and gets its water from both rainfall and surface water." .

Fen says:

"Fens are distinguished from bogs, which are acidic, low in minerals, and usually dominated by sedges and shrubs, along with abundant mosses in the genus Sphagnum"

How should this be resolved? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 14:24, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Bogs, Fens & Mires
Bog says:

"A bog is a mire that accumulates peat... In some cases, the water is derived entirely from precipitation, in which case they are termed ombrotrophic (rain-fed)."

Mire says:

"There are two types of mire – fens and bogs. A bog is a domed-shaped land form, is higher than the surrounding landscape, and obtains most of its water from rainfall (i.e., is ombrotrophic) while a fen is located on a slope, flat, or depression and gets its water from both rainfall and surface water." .

Fen says:

"Fens are distinguished from bogs, which are acidic, low in minerals, and usually dominated by sedges and shrubs, along with abundant mosses in the genus Sphagnum"

How should this be resolved? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Bump. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:32, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am looking this over and am having some difficulty understanding the problem. It doesn't appear that any of these contradicts any of the others: the bog article says that bogs are full of peat and are ombrotrophic; the mire article says bogs are dome-shaped and ombrotrophic; the fen article says that bogs are acidic and low in minerals, and have certain plants.  All of these things are true.  Which means I am missing something.  Help me out here, yes?  KDS4444 (talk) 05:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * These quotes give three different definitions of a bog. Note also the words "In some cases" in the first quote I gave. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:27, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am reading them as three different incomplete descriptions of what constitutes a bog, none of which is meant to be comprehensive nor excludes the others, which I don't interpret as a problem here (not one that warrants a "conflicting information" tag at any rate). I interpret the "in some cases" to mean that there are some bogs which are not entirely rain-fed— this seems to be in line with the nature of biome geography in which distinctions between different land features such as a bog and a swamp aren't always easily discerned and may overlap somewhat (a land feature bearing all of the expected characteristics of a bog but having some tall trees, for example, does not immediately reclassify the entire feature as a swamp; a bog into which a small stream happens to run does not reclassify the entire feature as a fen since the stream may be an insignificant intrusion).  Thoughts?  KDS4444 (talk) 23:52, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am going to interpret the silence as agreement, and remove the tags soon. Please respond if you feel this is inappropriate or premature.  KDS4444 (talk) 09:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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Untitled
Wow. Just because I thought something useful could be made of this link, & put up a stub entry.

But aren't carnivorous plants native to peat bogs? I'm behind in reading my International Carnivorous Plant mailing list, so I may be wrong. -- llywrch 00:40 Nov 18, 2002 (UTC)


 * Yep, added it some detail. Also added a link on carnivorous plant article to Carnivorous Plant society and web ring.  I guess you didn't see my comment that I was surprised someone named Llywrch didn't know about the great Llanwrtyd Wells bog snorkelling championships. Ortolan88 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ortolan88 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 18 November 2002‎
 * Blame my ignorance on the fact I live a few thousand miles away in Portland, Oregon. Most of my knowledge about Peat Bogs come from reading. I'm not sure that the couple of bags of peat moss I use in the garden actually come from bogs. -- llywrch 18:47 Nov 18, 2002 (UTC)

Danger?
I was hoping to read something in this article about whether or not bogs are dangerous if you get stuck in one. Can you sink into one? Have people died in this way? I would be grateful if such information could be added to the article. --Viennese Waltz 14:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)