Talk:Boghda Khaanate of Mongolia

As the succession box in Bogd Khan article defines Boghda Khaan as successor of Puyi, should the Boghda Khaanate of Mongolia be defined as successor state of the Qing Empire (perhaps beside China)? Or will it be as wrong as we decided with "Northern Yuan" ? Gantuya eng (talk) 12:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What was the title of the Qing emperors in Mongolian language? Yaan (talk) 14:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Generic title? Манжийн хаан. Is it right? The era name of each Qing Emperor is given in Chinese, Manchu and Mongolian in the article for each emperor. Gantuya eng (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think guys like Przewalski or Kozlov (or was that other one Pevtsov) write something else. Got me a bit confused when I read it first. Yaan (talk) 14:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * D'you remember what they wrote? Please tell us. Gantuya eng (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Bogd Khan. But I'm not sure if they understood correctly the difference between one or two a's. Yaan (talk) 14:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Right. All Huangdi beginning from the very ancient ones, maybe from Qin shi Huang (unsure about the spelling), are often called Богдыхан in the Russian language. The Russian Wikipedia says it's a Russian term of Mongolian origin referring to Ming Emperors in 16-17th century documents. It says that in a narrow sense it refers to Yuan Emperors only.
 * The Secret History of Mongols often refers to Genghis Khaan as "Boghda". Although "Boghda" means "Buddha". I don't know if the original of the Secret History had this word, but a phrase "Эзэн Богд Чингис Хаан" would be used in later times.
 * The Manch Emperor was believed to be incarnation of Boddhisattva Manjusri. Why not call him Boghda Khaan? In Buddhist time, Genghis Khaan was also made incarnation of Vajrapani. Gantuya eng (talk) 15:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So Burkhan and Bodga are both Mongolian words for Buddha?
 * Btw.: A declaration of independence is not compatible with succeeding anything. It starts a new line of succession. --Latebird (talk) 01:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, no. Burkhan is a term for Buddha, also used for 'god' more generally. Bogda (Bogd in cyrillic) more nearly means 'Holy'.  And indeed, if you read Mongolian history texts, they did indeed refer to the Manchu Emperors as 'Bogd Khaan' or 'Bogd Ezen', etc.  So in that regard, calling the Eighth Javzandamba Hutagt the Bogd Khaan is fairly clearly drawing upon the same language used for the Qing Emperors.  Danzan Bagsh (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC).


 * Isn't 'Bogd Ezen' also used to refer to Genghis Khaan? 'Suut Bogd" etc... Gantuya eng (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)