Talk:Boilerplate (spaceflight)

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"The term should not be confused with the term Battleship, which refers to a rocket or stage built for ground testing, i.e. not flight-weight.

A "boilerplate" in rocketry means a simply robotic mission. an example is Big Joe 1. (I believe this to be incorrect)" Source unknown.

Big Joe 1, an Atlas rocket, was used to test Mecury boilerplates, and NASA webpages used the terminology robotic missions... sooooo, the unknown source was correct. LanceBarber 15:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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I suggest visiting the main article Boilerplate for various definitions and usages. LanceBarber 07:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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Various NASA subject related articles that uses the boilplate terminology has been searched and links to boilerplates have been made... and conversely. Variety of uses, photos, internal and external links have been established. LanceBarber 07:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Where from?
Could someone describe where the use of this word comes from? To me it is not yet intuitive -DePiep 19:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Boilerplate, a relatively thick sheet of high quality steel, suitable for building boilers. LanceBarber 07:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My 8 year puzzle is over. I think it's worth putting this in the article itself. -DePiep 20:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not Wiki format, see Boilerplate disambig page, where it is appropriate for multiple definitions and links. Another example, Gemini has many definitions, and each Wikipedia article can not have all the definitions in each one.LanceBarber 06:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Enterprise
The entire section entitled "Space Shuttle OV-101" should be removed. Enterprise was not a boilerplate Shuttle. It was a full-production model, which was originally intended to be converted to flight status. The only reason that it never flew in space was that design changes between its construction, and the construction of Columbia made conversion impractical. If we are going to mention any Shuttle, Pathfinder would be more appropriate. -- GW_SimulationsUser Page 08:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree the Enterprise is not a boilerplate. Paragraph is written from the wiki article links and sources as a "boilerplate configuration". This gives depth to the article in how NASA used the Enterprise as IF it were a boilerplate for the vibration test. Don't you agree? I have not investigated enought of Pathfinder to voice an opinion, at this time. How would you write and reference Pathfinder as a boilerplate? LanceBarber (talk) 08:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "Boilerplate configuration" and "Boilerplate test program" imply that Enterprise is boilerplate. You posted on my talk page that the term was first used in another article. Another wiki article should never be used as a source. I think that it should be removed from the article, as it was not a boilerplate. As for pathfinder, have a look at its article, and see if it warrants inclusion. One option for a compromise could be renaming the section "Space Shuttle programme" or something, mainly about pathfinder, and other test articles such as MPTA-098 and MPTA-ET, with a few brief notes about Enterprise being used in place of a boilerplate for some tests. We must be careful not to confuse boilerplates and battleships, though. -- GW_SimulationsUser Page 09:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Found some NASA articles that uses the terminology, "boilerplate configuration". I added another subsection. As for Patherfinder, no mention in the article nor references in using or refering to Pathfinder as a boilerplate. For all practical purposes, Pathfinder was a boilerplate. But if we stretched the Pathfinder and used it in that context, we'd be "stretching" it, not good, may be considered "original work". As for using it as a source, probably should have used maybe as a internal link... which is what I did.  I can rewrite a few sentences and improve its context. LanceBarber (talk) 10:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd agree that Enterprise is not a boilerplate, it is far too sophisticated and too close to the flight hardware to qualify, plus it has a 100 series designation, implying a production series craft. The development hardware tended to have 000 series designations. Pathfinder fits the definition much better, a quick and dirty mockup not intended to be functional.  Enterprise flew high altitude missions with actual crew aboard, and fits more closely into the category of a prototype.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.45.3 (talk) 00:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Boilerplate configuration
In researhing boilerplate configurations, I found a few references of NASA 's usage of the terminology.: It may be appropriate to create a new article on Boilerplate configuration... or continue to expand this article. Any thoughts?LanceBarber (talk) 10:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710018204_1971018204.pdf
 * http://astronautix.com/thisday/febary05.htm
 * http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4009/v4p2i.htm

Non-American or non-governmental examples
Surely this concept occurs in the rocketry and spacecraft development efforts of nations other than The US-of-A?


 * Russia
 * China
 * others,
 * even North Korea

Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, agree. And not only does the article need a worldwide perspective, it needs a perspective that is not exclusively government-space centric.  Even though all of the early development of orbital launch capability was by, and remained for over 30 years, government-funded national-monopoly space agencies, that has not been exclusively true in recent years.  SpaceX is clearly funding development of their basic Falcon 1 and Falcon 9 launch systems (although they are looking to government for help in funding the Dragon manned capsule for Space Station re-crew operations.  I believe Pegasus, developed in the early 1990s, was also developed with private funds.  These private launchers also utilized boilerplate in development, see for example here and here.  N2e (talk) 23:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * True but we are assuming that other governments or private concerns such as space X use the concept of a boilerplate. They may or may not.  This article has been tagged for not providing a whole world view of the topic but we need to consider that this may be complete because NASA and its contractors may be the only ones making use of the boilerplate concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RadioFan (talk • contribs) 17:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * SpaceX does use the concept. See below, and see the article text where a source for SpaceX use has been added.N2e (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

(partially)✅—I have added two recent commercially-designed boilerplate space capsules (2010-2013) which both flew to orbit on maiden flights of new commercial launch vehicles. This begins to broaden the article beyond the US Government-specified boilerplate, but it does not (yet) address the "global" view that is needed in the article, as both capsules were US commercial designs. Cheers. N2e (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That's all well and good, but Template:Globalize isn't being used as intended here. I quote the template's doc: "This tag should only be applied to articles where global perspectives are reasonably believed to exist (e.g., that people in China have a different view about an idea or situation than people in Germany or South Africa)." There's no systemic bias to see here, folks; move along. Nobody's being unfair by ignoring an abundance of reliable sources on Russian (historically Soviet Union), Chinese (last I checked, still a Communist dictatorship), or North Korean (really?) spacecraft boilerplates. Anyone is perfectly free to add such sourced, verifiable information. If it's hard to find, I believe you basically have those governments to thank. I'm removing the template.


 * Further discussion of private-sector boilerplates should probably go in a new section. JustinTime55 (talk) 20:49, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Rename
Any issues with renaming this article to boilerplate (spaceflight). The concept of a boilerplate is used beyond vehicles such as rockets. Boilerplates are used more frequently in spacecraft themselves.--RadioFan (talk) 17:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the concept not used outside of spaceflight then? My googling also notes "http boilerplate" as a usage. (And the boilerplate contract, which is covered elsewhere on wiki). So, not objection from there. Then, the intro says it's also about payload and such, covering spaceflight, so the change would be ok as trivial. -DePiep (talk) 19:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

BP-1227 recovery
http://www.kp.ru/daily/23987/222122/ http://www.mvestnik.ru/shwpgn.asp?pid=2014112916 http://www.mvestnik.ru/shwpgn.asp?pid=201502285 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.194.0.154 (talk) 08:06, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

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Outer Mold Line
Outer Mold Line redirects here. I don't think that's a very good redirect since this article uses the term but never defines it. Sources are thin. The DAB for OML OML_(disambiguation) gives at least a one sentence description. Has anyone run across any sources that might be worth using to write at least a stub article? ++Lar: t/c 21:54, 5 September 2018 (UTC)