Talk:Bollingen

Meaning of Bollingen, Busskirch, Curtiberg, Kempraten-Lenggis, Wagen and Wurmsbach "vs." Jona
Bollingen is not a former municipality, it is a constituent of a former municipality. I seriously think this belongs merged into Jona. --dab (𒁳) 15:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I seriously do not think so, that opinion does not agree with the historical facts:
 * Bollingen is a so-called Kirchdorf (a historical-jurisdical term), i.e. a former independent 'municipality/village' built around a parish church as mentionned, as well as many of these former communities have "own" articles in EN-WP and other wikimedia projects.


 * Indeed, the historical facts are much more complicated, among others, a very "special" point of the history of Jona and Rapperswil respectively (as of 2007) merged to form Rapperswil-Jona: As shortly mentioned in the historical sections (Bollingen/Jona/Rapperswil etc.) Bollingen formed, centuries before Jona was established (in fact in 1803), an independent 'municipalitiy/village' around a parish church, as well as Jona's former independent localities since 1803, as of today as constituent: Bollingen, Busskirch, Curtiberg, Kempraten-Lenggis, Wagen and Wurmsbach (Wurmsbach Abbey) – a central point, i.e. communities of their own, as part of the former Herrschaft (until 1798) Rapperswil.
 * In fact, Bollingen and Wurmsbach were sites of two Abbeys, too, established by the Counts of Rapperswil.


 * Jona itself as municipality was established in 1803 around the former boundaries of the city of Rapperswil, comprising the small rest of the former Herrschaft Rapperswil and the (then) 'remaining' villages of Busskirch, Curtiberg, Kempraten-Lenggis, Wagen and Wurmsbach (ref. links and common historical literature, see Rapperswil-Jona).


 * -> Not to be merged for these reasons (perhaps we should merge Jona into the articles above mentioned ;-))
 * Regards, Roland zh 17:19, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

well, I would like to be pragmatic about this. iff the article has enough referenced material on Bollingen itself, it can well remain separate, This does not mean that each village needs its own article. As a rule, sub-municipal villages should redirect to their municipality. But of course if somebody manages to compile enough referenced material, there can be a separate main article.

So, I am willing to retract the merge suggestion, but please don't push it by insisting on the infobox or the "former municipality" category. I don't know that there were "municipalities" in Switzerland prior to 1798 (there were just parishes and Gerichtsbarkeiten), and the infobox is for actual, contemporary municipalities with their own postal codes, mayors, population statistics etc. --dab (𒁳) 09:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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