Talk:Bolo tie

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The list of "famous" bolo tie wearers had a few entries that look more like attempts at self-promotion or something that actual information. I've culled a few, but if there's a reason for them to be on there, don't hesitate to put them back, just give a reason why these people count as famous.

IsaacSapphire (talk) 03:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Robert Evans did not wear a bolo tie, neither did Colonel Sanders. Robert Evans wore a charm from a belly dancer and Colonel Sanders wore a black bow tie.

This page no longer makes sense. Two adjacent sentences are directly contradictory. Is the bola tie a pioneer creation, or was it invented in 1949?

In Britain they are "bootlace ties" and in America they are "Bolo ties". Why is this entry headed as "Bola tie" when this bastard spelling is not used in either country? I would change the redirection if I knew how.

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This should definitely be changed to BOLO instead of BOLA. Brainscar 21:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC) ____________________

Why is bolo and bola interchangeable in this article??

Screen317 05:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Questionable origins?
Isn't it obvious that "bola" is a contraction of boot lace? Sibruk (talk) 18:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not obvious; it sounds like folk etymology. I'd love to see research either way, though. Also, in New Mexico, you won't hear "bola", you will hear "bolo". Far more research must be done before we can put a definitive answer in the article as to its origins. Having speculative answers is good only as far as they are clearly labeled speculative. --BlueNight (talk) 06:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of the etymology it is a fact that in the UK they are, and always have been, universally known as 'bootlace ties'. Cassandra

Requested Move
WHAT THE HELL IS A BOLO TIE!!!!!

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Jack Arnold Weil
This article refers to Jack A Weil as an inventor/contributor of/to the bolo (adding the buckle part). The wikipedia article on Jack A Weil also mentions his having a hand in the creation of the bolo. Pklala (talk) 03:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

native american traditions?
There are three tribes in which the article states that it's been their tradition to make bolo tie parts since the mid 20th century. That's only half a century ago. Is it really traditional if it postdates all "Indian Reparations"? Or for that matter, can it really be considered a tradition if the people who started it could still be alive? To be a tradition, don't you need many generations so that it can spread to point where only historians would be able to trace the origins? I'm not suggesting a change outright, but I am a little weirded out at such loose use of the term "tradition." I mean, really, by that definition, "sending people hurdling into orbit on rockets has been an American and Russian tradition since the mid 20th century" or even more valid would be the claim that "Christianity is the traditional religion of the Cherokee tribe". After all, most Cherokees are Christian and it's been that way since even before the mid 20th century. I'd just like some sort of clarification on why it could be considered a "tradition" if my *mother* was a child during the time that's supposedly the origin of the so called "tradition." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.140.6 (talk) 08:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think this is a rather overly particular interpretation of the term "tradition". For example, the high school I attended was founded in 1952, and I started in 1960; but we certainly had a number of traditions that were recognized as "traditions". While bolo ties themselves are if relatively recent origin, their use is a tradition in some areas (hence the bills recognizing them as the "official neck ware" of several states), and it has become a tradition for those Native American tribes were silver smithing is a tradition (itself dating only back to the later part of the 19th century) to make both the tips and sliders for bolo ties. Wschart (talk) 13:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Bolo Tie Exhibit
Good Day, there is an exhibit about Bolo Ties at the Heard Museum in Phoenix. We'd like to post it in Wikipedia so that people who are interested can learn more. I tried to add it to the links but somebody blocked me. Is there some way that we can get that up? Thanks! Deb Krol

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bolo_tie&action=edit&section=new# http://www.heard.org/currentexhibits/BolaTies.html NATIVE AMERICAN BOLO TIES - VINTAGE AND CONTEMPORARY ARTISTRY. Exhibit at the Heard Museum, Phoenix, Arizona.


 * Excellent though the exhibit may be, Wikipedia does not advertise any events no matter how admirable unless in some way the mention of the event adds some encyclopaedic knowledge or the event itself is intrinsically notable ( such as a forthcoming concert of a mega celebrity which is extensively reported in the press and forms a notable episode in the celebrity's life). Wikipedia is also world wide and an exhibition in Phoenix is of only very limited interest to the world population. So, sorry, but this isn't what Wikipedia is for or about. However if you or your colleagues have gleaned information about Bolo Ties from the exhibition that can be referenced, please do take the time to include it here - it would be valued.  Velella  Velella Talk  20:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

OK but what about the new book on bolo ties? The book resulted from extensive and exhaustive research and would be an addition to your references. The author has lectured about this and really thinks it should be referenced in Wikipedia. He's a buddy of mine and I've sold him bolo ties myself as I'm also an artist. Thanks! Kroldj001 (talk) 23:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Uncited claim

 * It is also said that the bolo tie is a North American pioneer creation that dates back to between 1866 and 1886. There is a bolo tie on display at a trading post in Zuni Pueblo, New Mexico said to date back that far.
 * Uncited for almost 9 years. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Possible vandalism
With the edit of 7 March, the name of the inventor was changed from Victor Cedarstaff to William Mangelsdorf. This looks like vandalism; the editor is anonymous, using an IP address that edited this single article on one single day. The change is not consistent with the information that follows it in the text: the patent referred to is in the name of Victor Cedarstaff, and the subject of the story from Sunset is also Victor Cedarstaff. I hesitate to revert the edit give the number of references to William Mangelsdorf as the inventor on other webpages. However, many of these references seem to have been copied from this article. Can someone with expertise in this area resolve this? Thanks. Jim (talk) 04:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Good catch. Thanks. Dr.   K.  05:10, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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