Talk:Bolt (2008 film)/Archive 1

The name
The only evidence of the name is "Hollywood Dog" is a blog article which mentions that it's one of the top contenders. I have no idea why the article was renamed - there has been no official word from what I can see. Esn 01:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed Name is Firehouse Dog
In canada, commercially spread name is Firehouse Dog. Crawfordknights 20:49, 16 March 2007


 * They're two completely different films. One of them isn't animated. Esn 20:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The visual style of the film
Why not show an example in what way the graphic style of the film is inspired by Edward Hopper? The title may have changed, there is a new director and plot, and the dog have probably changed as well, but I still think the visual style has remained. Take a look here, here and here

From an article when Chris Sanders was still involved in the project:

Chicken Little & Beyond

"Stepping Into a Hopper Painting

What we discovered on this film is that traditional art is no less valid in 3D. The plan with American Dog is to try to achieve exactly what we did on Lilo & Stitch (with the backgrounds being so pervasive) and completely thwart what the computer wants to bring to the party. I love what it can do as far as characters… the sensibility; the subtlety of emotion is unbelievable. But my art director Paul Felix and I made the decision to make it look like it was painted. And the computer is much, much harder on that because it wants to straighten lines and it wants to lay things down in very solid planes. And Paul can draw a layout and you just want to live in it. It’s like the best of a Disney background could possibly offer, but when you put a grid over those layouts, they won’t line up — there’s a million things going on that don’t make sense to the computer, and that’s what we’re trying to deal with.

We went so far as to see how much we can take this before it breaks. We took our main character, Henry, who is completely CG — he’s as sharp as a tack and very round and covered with fur and looks very, very real — and place him right in the middle of an Edward Hopper painting. So we scanned a suburban Hopper painting and had Henry walk right through it. And it is a painting… it is all implied dimension. What we found was it didn’t break. It did what I suspected, which is it lit up. The hard part is retaining that painterly softness when you move around the environment, whether it’s a diner or a car or a train station.

Paul is at the forefront of helping bring this into the computer, because he knows what makes a painting a painting; it’s not just how a brush stroke looks because we’ve gone way beyond that since Tarzan. It has to do with how light and paint interact with each other… that luminosity, the layering, which makes a huge difference. And the weird thing is, as long as you have good contact and a shadow that locks them in, you buy it.

Bambi, with its believability and suspense, continues to serve as 2D inspiration.

In terms of inspiration, Shrek and Ice Age were revelations in terms of the subtlety of emotion that they transmitted.

The way they lingered on Shrek’s face and not have him say or do anything made me want to stand up and cheer because you can’t do that in a traditionally-animated film. Or watching that little sloth in Ice Age struggling to get comfortable on that rock — slipping and sliding. At that moment, I knew that everything had changed. I realized that I have to change the way I write. I’ve indulged myself in scenes with protracted interaction, emotional interaction. We have the broad stuff too, but I’ve never felt so safe before in having a very subtle scene transpire between two characters sitting across the table from each other." 193.217.194.64 12:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Expanding/improving plot synopsis
In adding the plot synopsis, I've slightly adapted what appears on the Disney site, and while WP:FILMPLOT says plot descriptions are not usually needing to be cited, this seemed like one case where it should be. This solution seems less than ideal to me, but I've seen others add synopses from the studio before, so I figure this should do until the film is actually released. If there's any disagreement with this way of doing it, please let me know on my talk page. NMS Bill (talk) 12:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Made a few more tweaks to bring in line with the synopsis as it exists on the Disney website. NMS Bill (talk) 14:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Claire Holt
Claire Holt does not voice Mittens, Susie Essman does. It states so on the Disney Bolt website.XxH2Oluverxx (talk) 21:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Nick Swardson
He plays one of the pigeons so I put pigeon. Meowdon (talk • contribs) 01:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Chris Sanders's Story
Well, if you look at the page history of the article, it says that "Chris Sanders came up with the story, right". I took it off because his story differs from the story it is now. But Sanders deserves to be credited. So can we put on the article that he came up with the story or the original story. Christianster45 (talk) 21:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Source? AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The article already talks about Sanders and his contributions. What are you proposing that is different from what is already there? SpikeJones (talk) 15:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Use of article
Dear Wikipedian editors, may I use this article on the page:Twilight takes $70.6M bite out of box office It states that Chuck Viane, Disney's head of distribution, said "Twilight took a bite out of everyone's box office this weekend. If the vampire saga hadn't been around, Viane said, Disney would have expected an opening of at least $30 million [for Bolt]". So may I use this articel or not because it states that Viane wanted Bolt to open with $30M on its first week. Christianster45 21:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No as that isn't what she said. It said "Disney would have expected an opening of at least" not that it was what they wanted, nor is it really that relevant. More like bitter apple complaints, as it wasn't stated until after the film came in third. And really, the film wasn't that far off so not a real complaint (except maybe to them). It be one thing if the film only pulled in $15 mil and they were trying to explain why it "failed" but the film came in third and was close on the $30 mil mark, so yeah, not a major thing. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Headlines

 * Exclusive: John Lasseter Talks Bolt and More. Erik  (talk • contrib) 03:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Waffle World Map Art in Bolt Little Golden Book?
Bolt has a Little Golden Book that has the Waffle World placemat map inside, and I suspect that the artist behind the Waffle World map and some of the film's other 2D art also illustrated the Little Golden Book, but I'm not certain. Could someone confirm or deny this and if it is the same illustrator, should there be a mention in the article (in a new trivia section)? 4.254.112.155 18:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

date error
under reception -> box office it says: "As of January 4, 2008, the film has grossed $152,864,380 worldwide" I think it needs to be 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hype2k4 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

white german shepherd dog
This page ought to have link and a few word to inform that Bolt is a white german shepherd dog. I have seen a cover that reads something like: Bolt an american white shepherd.....

American white shepherd and white german shepherd are to my knowledge the same breed. Stianaase (talk) 19:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've been in discussions with another editor about exactly what (if anything in particular) Bolt is. I saw the comingsoon.net post that said an American White Shepherd, but this editor suggested that Bolt may be more like an Indian Spitz. Based on look and the animal's demeanor, there may well be something to that. However, neither breed is recognized in the US by the AKC, which is hardly a deal-breaker, but it would have been a good source of info for the artists to use. As I said to the other editor, we need something verifiable that says what breed(s) the artists used in designing Bolt. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 22:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I've actually studied the character design a bit and I do agree with Stianaase. Bolt's body structure matches that of a small, white German Shepherd. It even says it on the box that he's a white German Shepherd. --SVelasquez07 SVelasquez07 (talk) 02:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * May I ask which box? The BD set doesn't indicate what Bolt is, and the BD copy art usually copies the DVD copy art (or it has so far). As to the character's body structure, Bolt is awfully small for a five-year-old German Shepherd, wouldn't you think? Admittedly, we're venturing into a fandom argument here, so barring something from Disney itself, we're just speculating. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 03:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There are a few versions of the cover. This version says he is an "American White Shepherd" and an older version says he is a "German Shepherd." The newest version does not say what he is at all. Nothing I have seen says he is an Indian Spitz. RP9 (talk) 05:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Granted that Bolt's breed hasn't been established one way or another. Again, the only people who know for sure (the Disney artists) haven't said anything I've found yet. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 03:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, D23 came to the rescue. The "Ask Dave" column recently answered the question, and said that while Bolt is based on a number of breeds, they started with the American White Shepherd. I added a quote from the lead designer, so it looks like we have what we were looking for ... but there's one problem that I could use help with. The nature of this column means that the question won't be up there all the time, so if someone attempts to verify the information later, they'll lead to a dead end. I tried to Google it and then link to the cached page, but it didn't come up (meaning the column is an image, maybe). Any suggestions? --McDoobAU93 (talk) 04:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Use the proper WP:CITE template, and if the excerpt is short enough (judgement call), include the quote after the CITE tag in the reference ie SpikeJones (talk) 12:04, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Nice! I archived the page at WebCite here. Hopefully that solves your problem. RP9 (talk) 22:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

November 21 release date
See the fine print that says "where?" I bet that's the United States and Canada. 71.80.163.73 (talk) 23:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Draft
Who here likes this draft version better than the current one and would like to post it? 68.220.184.194 (talk) 22:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * FYI: comparison of the current version of the article vs. the proposed draft from can be viewed here.  I had copied the proposal from Wikipedia:Requests for page protection into my sandbox so that the changes can be viewed.  However, I'm still not certain as to the reasoning for the proposed changes, nor am I familiar with the prior consensus on the state of the article, so I haven't made the proposed changes myself at this point. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Support. Most of it is good. Change or edit anything you think is bad. 208.251.244.187 (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The proposed draft does not follow established WP standards. The opening paragraph specifically is incorrect (should not mention "academy-award winning" in first sentence, for example).  It also has numerous sentences throughout the draft containing bad grammar, which would not be an improvement over the current article - I could go on with specific editing/content issues.  If the anon user who created the draft could better explain what the differences were or why they felt specific edits needed to be made, that would be more helpful than just saying "here's a draft, what do you think?". SpikeJones (talk) 22:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * A lot of this, such as removing the "Bolt's super powers" section, which, is NOT supposed to be there, and is already covered in the plot, is good. However, it also removed links to Chris Williams and Clark Spencer, I guess the academy-award winning thing is wrong, but it says NOMINATED, not winning. WALL-E won, right? Which plot section looks shorter? Shouldn't the taglines be removed, or can it stay? And I think see also goes before references? Also the new draft has the categories correctly ordered, right? And as a bonas, the tr iw doesn't work. Just my two cents here. 68.33.164.40 (talk) 15:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Couldn't have said it better myself. 72.255.46.5 (talk) 19:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I like the current one better. If anyone cares. :) Monkeytheboy (talk) 20:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Interwikilink
add this please

فولط (فيلم أنمي) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdallahdjabi (talk • contribs) 11:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --M ASEM (t) 12:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Music by: John Powell Greame Revell(uncridited) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riddick217 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)