Talk:Bombardier Aviation/Archive 1

Based
Where is this company based? I mean, Boeing is US, Embraer is Brsil,...? Is this Canada? Thanks, Brusegadi 04:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They have facilities all over (see profile). But probably Canada as their parent company Bombardier is based there. -Fnlayson 05:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is based in Canada, in Montreal to be specific.--Ramdrake (talk) 14:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Anything on landing gear problems? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.22.1 (talk) 12:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Landing gear issues were restricted to the Dash 8, which Bombardier offered a compensation deal on with the airline that brought the suit. The topic is covered extensively, Dash_8_landing_gear_incidents. Nolte (talk) 16:54, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Pronounciation?
Is it pronounced "Bomb-ba-deer" or "Bomb-ba-de-A?" (or some other pronounciation)? Basesurge (talk) 07:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Bomb-ba-de-A is closer. It's pronounced in Quebec French (different pronounciation from France French) -- 70.24.247.66 (talk) 09:00, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Subsidy Controversy
As mentioned in WT/DS222/R 28 January 2002 (02-0153) Original: English CANADA - EXPORT CREDITS AND LOAN GUARANTEES FOR REGIONAL AIRCRAFT; Report of the Panel wto.org,) : " (g) ...that the EDC Corporate Account financing to Comair in July 1996, August 1997 and February 1999 constitutes a prohibited export subsidy..."[13] So WTO ruled that the subsidy occurred in 1996, 1997, 1999, plus the 2002 Air Nostrum ruling : "(f) ...that the EDC Canada Account financing to Air Nostrum constitutes a prohibited export subsidy." So it's not true that the Bombardier aircraft sales illegally subsidized only twice, as currently written in the article. Correcting this and the other articles references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.179.240.109 (talk) 03:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Who is really the 3rd largest?
 ** Topic posted on both Talk:Bombardier Aerospace and Talk:Embraer ** 

The articles for Bombardier Aerospace and Embraer both cite recent articles to claim that their subject is the 3rd largest aircraft manufacturer.

Bombardier: Wall Street Journal article from 29th July 2011 "The world's third-largest airplane manufacturer" Embraer: Reuters article from 14 February 2012 "the world's third-largest commercial planemaker,"

Does the fact that the Reuters article is more recent prove Embraer is bigger? Could we find a third source that would be able to set the record straight? Samuell Lift me up or put me down 06:07, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * These two often swap places between 3rd and 4th largest. I suggest both articles get someone like the following put in their leads "Perennially vying for the spot with rival X, Y is often named the 3rd largest aircraft manufacturer" Fleetham (talk) 19:46, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hell, Airbus and Boeing also swap places... Fleetham has it best. -- 70.24.247.66 (talk) 09:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Sukhoi_Superjet_100
This (inofficial) voting about flags and country info in orders might concern even this article. It is proposed to remove about 10.000 flags related to aircraft orders and articles including country info. Tagremover (talk) 10:23, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Notes (content should be transfered under "references")
Several hyperlinks need to be fixed in that section :

1. http://www2.bombardier.com/en/3_0/3_2/3_2_8/3_2_8.jsp?id=1 change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/worldwide-presence/country.canada.html

in french*

http://www.bombardier.com/fr/presence-mondiale/country.canada.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by DH BBD (talk • contribs) 19:55, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

2. http://www.bombardier.com/en/home.html?id=0_0&lang=en&file=/en/0_0/0_0_1_6_2.html change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/home.html

4. http://www.bombardier.com/en/corporate/media-centre/press-releases/details?docID=0901260d800326db change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-centre/newsList/details.1038-bombardier-launches-cseries-aircraft-program.html

10. http://www.bombardier.com/en/corporate/media-centre/press-releases/details?docID=0901260d80139ba6 change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-centre/newsList/details.749-bombardier-grows-its-flagship-global-family-with-two-new-jets-the-global-7000-and-global-8000-aircraft.html

11. http://www.aerospace.bombardier.com/en/aerospace/about-aerospace/worldwide-presence?docID=0901260d8000ede1 change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/worldwide-presence.html

12. http://www.aerospace.bombardier.com/en/aerospace/about-aerospace change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/about-us.html#1361982846075

13. http://www.aerospace.bombardier.com/files/en/supporting_docs/BI-Canada_Bombardier.pdf change for http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/countries/supporting-documents/Bombardier-CountryBrochure-Canada-en.pdf

14. http://www.aerospace.bombardier.com/files/en/supporting_docs/BI-Bombardier_in_the_US.pdf change for http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/countries/supporting-documents/Bombardier-CountryBrochure-US-en.pdf

15. http://www.aerospace.bombardier.com/files/en/supporting_docs/BI-BombardierOntario.pdf change for http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/countries/supporting-documents/Bombardier-CountryBrochure-Ontario-en.pdf

17. http://www.aerospace.bombardier.com/files/en/supporting_docs/BombardierMexico_May2012_en.PDF change for http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/countries/supporting-documents/Bombardier-CountryBrochure-Mexico-en.pdf

21. http://www2.bombardier.com/en/7_0/pdf/Annual_Report_2002_en.pdf change for http://ir.bombardier.com/modules/misc/documents/32/87/56/81/13/Annual_Report_FY03.pdf

23. http://www2.bombardier.com/en/3_0/pressrelease.jsp?group=3_0&lan=en&action=view&mode=list&year=2006&id=3265 change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-centre/newsList/details.299-bombardier-delivers-337-aircraft-for-fiscal-year-2005-06.html

25. http://www.bombardier.com/en/corporate/media-centre/press-releases/details?docID=0901260d8007d2c8 change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-centre/newsList/details.960-bombardier-aerospace-delivers-353-aircraft-and-records-378-net-orders-in-fiscal-year-2008-09.html

26. http://www.bombardier.com/en/corporate/media-centre/press-releases/details?docID=0901260d800e8cdb change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-centre/newsList/details.848-bombardier-aerospace-delivers-302-aircraft-in-fiscal-year-2009-10.html

27. http://cn.bombardier.com/press_release_02172011.htm change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-centre/newsList/details.704-bombardier-aerospace-delivers-244-aircraft-in-fiscal-year-2010-11.html

28. http://www.bombardier.com/en/corporate/media-centre/press-releases/details?docID=0901260d80285503 change for http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-centre/newsList/details.41214-bombardier-aerospace-delivers-233-aircraft-and-receives-orders-for-481-aircraft-in-2012.html

DH BBD (talk) 19:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

This article needs work. e.g. break up History section into two or more sections
The History section is much, much too long. Wonder if someone can help break it up into at least two sections. Perhaps the second section should start with the discussions of the CSeries which is the current aircraft that is the most significant for the company. (Or the first section should just be about the early days of the company?)

I have done other cleaning up, moving sections about old news, and adding updates. However, I am still not sure this long article is very well organized, in general. And the History section is overly chronological in layout: date, what happened then ... another date, what happened then ... another date, what happened then ... and so on.

Also some of it is in present tense (should be past tense). I will work on this aspect. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Do we need to update article?
This is what the company says about this division. I don't have time now to go over our content to see if it is up to date. About Aerospace http://www.bombardier.com/en/about-us.html

With more than 31,200 employees and a leadership position in global markets, Bombardier Aerospace designs, manufactures and supports innovative aviation products for the business, commercial, specialized and amphibious aircraft markets. We have the most comprehensive aircraft portfolio and we hold the number one position in business and regional aircraft. Our high-performance aircraft and services set the standard of excellence in several markets, including:

Business aircraft - Learjet, Challenger and Global aircraft families Commercial aircraft - new C Series program, CRJ Series and Q Series aircraft families Aerostructures & Engineering Services - aircraft structures, component repair and other services Amphibious aircraft - Bombardier 415 and Bombardier 415 MP aircraft Specialized aircraft solutions - Bombardier aircraft modified for special missions Aircraft services and training - aircraft parts, maintenance, comprehensive training, technical support and publications, and online services

The executives: http://www.bombardier.com/en/about-us/management.html Peter K Burian (talk) 20:55, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

3rd Largest Manufacturer?
I boldly removed the sentence in the opening paragraph which stated that Bombardier and Embraer compete for 3rd largest manufacturer, while implying that this is based on the total number produced. Somebody recently removed a similar claim from Embraer. If anyone can find a regularly updated reliable source, it probably makes sense to just revise the article every year. I'm assuming we're looking for commercial manufacturers by revenue, The lists I've been able to find are for "aerospace manufacturers" which includes military manufacturers like Lockheed Martin. Dlthewave (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bombardier Aerospace
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bombardier Aerospace's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "AvWeek16Oct2017": From 2017 in aviation:  From Airbus A220:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

"Aviation" or "Aerospace"?
In the wikis of different languages there is a mix of Aviation and Aerospace (see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q891779). As I understand, none of these are legal entities. "Aviation" is a kind of an internal brand just to name a part of the business. But it's not a separate company, right? We need a clear and up-to-date definition from a reliable source. I couldn't find one. Nikolay Komarov (talk) 10:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * As you moved the article to the current title with the edit summary "Division renamed (cite in article)", perhaps you can help with this question by specifying your source. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 22:27, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It's explained in the section of the article: On 2 May 2019, Bombardier's aerospace division was renamed Bombardier Aviation following the divestment of the CSeries and Q400 programmes. Anything before that date should be referred to as Bombardier Aerospace, anything after as Bombardier Aviation. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! It helped. Nikolay Komarov (talk) 09:32, 27 June 2021 (UTC)