Talk:Bonifacio Global City

FORT BONIFACIO
Fort Bonifacio is not exclusively a military base. Majority of Fort Bonifacio has been sold and converted. It is now a district in Taguig City.

Bonifacio Global City (Ayala Land) is a part of Fort Bonifacio as well as American War Memorial (under American Battle Monuments Commission) McKinley Hill (Megaworld Corp) and Heritage Park. McKinley Hill and Heritage Park should not be under the name or article of Bonifacio Global City because the two areas are owned by other developers.

Bonifacio Global City, McKinley Hill and Heritage Park use "Fort Bonifacio, Taguig City" in their address.

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Please support your claims or else your contribution in this article will also be dubious..

Dubious Original Certificate of Title (O.C.T Special Patent 001) was issued to Fort Bonifacio Development Corporation (now Bonifacio Land Corporation) by Philippine President Fidel V. Ramos.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.243.20 (talk) 20:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Fort Andres Bonifacio which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 16:30, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Reorganization
Currently, Fort Bonifacio and Fort Andres Bonifacio are separate articles talking about the same thing. Bonifacio Global City redirects to the former. I've tagged Fort Andres Bonifacio to be merged with Fort Bonifacio, while Fort Bonifacio be split into its own article. – H T  D  19:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. We've discussed this before. That's just the way to go.--RioHondo (talk) 23:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, an additional option, I'm open on having "Fort Bonifacio" as a dab page. – H T  D  00:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't they always say dab pages are unnecessary if the articles are related? I believe they're right. :) --RioHondo (talk) 13:19, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It depends if the two are coterminous, and if both can't claim WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. As it stands, what's left of Fort Bonifacio, the actual fort, is not coterminous with Barangay Fort Bonifacio of Taguig, and the Post Proper North/South Side of Makati. – H T  D  13:49, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Umm, what i meant was there is always this tag that we can use: which eliminates the need for a dab page. Anyway, we are naming the business district by its commonname now, so there is no conflict there with the fort article title.--RioHondo (talk) 14:02, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to the option that "Fort Bonifacio" is solely a dab page and nothing else, not hatnotes. – H T  D  16:49, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

How to do this
I was about to do the edits but I dunno where to put some of the level 2 subheaders on this article. McKinley Hill is outside BGC, so we'd have to make a new article out of that? The others are a part of BGC. – H T  D  01:55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Moved articles:
 * Fort Bonifacio --> Bonifacio Global City
 * Fort Andres Bonifacio --> Fort Bonifacio

What goes where:
 * Fort Bonifacio
 * Fort Bonifacio
 * Fort Andres Bonifacio
 * Summary of Bonifacio Global City
 * Fort Bonifacio
 * Fort Bonifacio
 * Fort Bonifacio
 * Fort Bonifacio


 * Bonifacio Global City
 * Fort Bonifacio
 * Fort Bonifacio
 * Fort Bonifacio
 * Fort Bonifacio


 * Fort Andres Bonifacio
 * Redirects to Fort Bonifacio


 * Culled:
 * Fort Bonifacio: Both cemeteries are outside the jurisdiction of both BGC and the actual fort.

– H T  D  02:11, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Boundaries of BGC:


 * Yup, i think you got it all sorted out correctly. I would link the cemeteries under the history section of the Fort Bonifacio article, including Bonifacio Global City itself being all part of the once vast Fort McKinley reservation. And yes, McKinley Hill should have a separate article as it is notable already in itself. We can link that and McKinley West in the Fort Bonifacio article under the Present / Present use subsection of Fort Bonifacio's History. Thanks--RioHondo (talk) 04:40, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The issue with cemeteries is that they're not (no longer?) in barangays that are within Fort Bonifacio. AFAIK, the American Cemetery has never been in a jurisdiction of any barangay (probably nominally by Barangay Post Proper South Side). I'd be OK with a mention under the history section. – H T  D  13:09, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 27 December 2014

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Number   5  7  21:25, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

– This article is mostly about Bonifacio Global City, which is a part of Fort Bonifacio, so this should be moved to that target. Meanwhile, the article at Fort Andres Bonifacio would then be moved to Fort Bonifacio, as the latter is the most common name, plus some merged sections from this article. – H T  D  13:07, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Fort Bonifacio → Bonifacio Global City
 * Fort Andres Bonifacio → Fort Bonifacio
 * Support The article is about the highly urbanized area more commonly known as Bonifacio Global City. Move the military fort to Fort Bonifacio as per WP:COMMONNAME.--RioHondo (talk) 02:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. I will admit that many people confuse the business district with the military base but I have seen anecdotal evidence on the ground that people now usually refer to the business district as "Bonifacio Global City" (sometimes shortened to "Global City") in addresses and event ads. —seav (talk) 01:09, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per above. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 20:42, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment there was a previous move request of this nature, see Talk:Fort_Andres_Bonifacio -- 65.94.40.137 (talk) 07:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's a good idea to ask the people who participated in that RM (, and an anon (can't ping him/her)) to voice their thoughts here. I believe that the oppose arguments have been dealt with. – H T  D  19:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per discussion in previous RM. I'm convinced. Alternativity (talk) 15:18, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Bonifacio, we have a problem
I recently encountered this article Bonifacio Capital District created by claiming that not all developments sold by the Bases Conversion and Development Authority to private developers are actually part of Bonifacio Global City, and that McKinley Hill and McKinley West actually belong to a different district, which is the BCD. I always thought Bonifacio Global City encompassed all these lands within the former Fort McKinley reservation that were converted to private mixed-use developments. But this newslink from Inquirer today confirmed that Bonifacio Global City is just the northern subdistrict of Fort Bonifacio, while the southern subdistrict is indeed a different one, which is being promoted as BCD by Megaworld and BCDA. See map in newslink. Therefore, i think we should rethink the scope of this article (initially the entire Barangay Fort Bonifacio of Taguig/both Northside and Southside Postproper of Makati) and start branching them out to different articles again. If there was one mother article we can keep that discusses both these subdistricts and all other mixed-use developments in barangay Fort Bonifacio, it should be Fort Bonifacio ( with Fort Andres Bonifacio being resurrected to cover the military base ). Let me know what you guys think.--RioHondo (talk) 08:09, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Second problem: the Bonifacio Capital District actually extends to the territories of two other villages in Taguig: Pinagsama (McKinley Hill and The Heritage Park) and Western Bicutan (southeastern parts of BCD). So that makes holding these areas under one parent article more complicated. How do we proceed?--RioHondo (talk) 08:26, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * What we know so far: 1) the former Fort McKinley reservation is politically divided into three present-day barangays of Taguig: Fort Bonifacio, Pinagsama, and Western Bicutan (never mind Makati's claims for now). 2) Fort Andres Bonifacio's military installations and structures are also spread out to these three barangays. 3) The BCDA manages all these lands for conversion to private development including another one in Ususan, among others in Taguig. 4) The three largest cemeteries and landmarks in this area are likewise divided into three parts: Manila American Cemetery under Fort Bonifacio village; The Heritage Park under Pinagsama village; and Heroes' Cemetery under Western Bicutan.--RioHondo (talk) 08:36, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Reorganization, the sequel
Following the above mentioned problems and developments, i propose a second reorganization that would hopefully make these articles more accurate and stable in the longer term, and would also hopefully be the least disruptive.


 * Fort Bonifacio - the Philippine Army national headquarters/AFP military base and reservation that was created from parts of the former Fort McKinley reservation AND whose lands were appropriated/converted to privated mixed-use developments by the Bases Conversion and Development Authority.
 * Included in this article would be:
 * 1. History of Fort Bonifacio and the former U.S. military reservation that spanned a huge chunk of southern Metro Manila from Makati to Alabang known as Fort McKinley
 * 2. Description/Overview of the military reservation's boundaries with links to a possible Fort Bonifacio, Taguig article that discusses its local government unit, as well as Pinagsama and Western Bicutan.
 * 3. Summary of the two subdistricts
 * 3.a. Bonifacio Global City
 * 3.b. Bonifacio Capital District
 * 4. Historical sites/Landmarks
 * 4.a. Manila American Cemetery
 * 4.b. The Heritage Park
 * 4.c. Heroes' Cemetery
 * 5. Territorial dispute
 * 6. Other topics on Bonifacio Global City that pertain to the Philippine Army headquarters.


 * Bonifacio Global City - the financial/ central business district north of the Manila American Cemetery in Fort Bonifacio that was developed primarily by Ayala Corporation, all in Fort Bonifacio, Taguig.
 * This also includes non-Ayala developments because of proximity (see map in newslink)
 * 1. Forbes Town
 * 2. Manila American Cemetery itself
 * 3. SM Aura Premier
 * 4. Uptown Bonifacio / North Bonifacio
 * 5. Bonifacio High Street


 * Bonifacio Capital District - the mixed administrative/commercial district south of the Manila American Cemetery that was developed primarily by Megaworld, divided into Fort Bonifacio, Pinagsama and Western Bicutan.
 * Included in this article:
 * 1. McKinley Hill
 * 2. McKinley West
 * 3. Supreme Court of the Philippines Building Complex, Fort Bonifacio
 * 4. All the rest of the developments south of the Manila American Cemetery.


 * Fort Bonifacio, Taguig -- the administrative barangay of Taguig that hosts most of Fort Bonifacio including the entire Bonifacio Global City, the Manila American Cemetery and portions of Bonifacio Capital District such as McKinley West. The territorial dispute in the main article Fort Bonifacio will be migrated here if an actual article is created.


 * Pinagsama - the administrative barangay of Taguig that hosts the east-central part of Fort Bonifacio, particularly the Bonifacio Capital District's McKinley Hill and Fort Bonifacio's The Heritage Park.


 * Western Bicutan, the administrative barangay of Taguig that hosts the southeastern portion of Fort Bonifacio, particularly Bonifacio Capital District's Heroes' Cemetery and the Supreme Court Building Complex.


 * The template below will be converted to Fort Bonifacio covering all the above articles. If there are no objections by Easter, will start the mass migration. Thank you!--RioHondo (talk) 11:55, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Support: I agree with this move with one minor change: The Manila American Cemetery is part of the Fort Bonifacio heading as it is an independent installation evident as to how BGC nor BCD does not administer the place and is straddling in between these areas with its address still being Fort Bonifacio as opposed to other entries such as SM Aura (which is technically still BGC as the lot was donated by the BGC admin to Taguig City for their civic center). Korean Rail Fan 14:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Good point, it was on the map in the link that i posted earlier but we could do that to also avoid duplication. Thanks for the support, but, before any movement is made, we have to first identify the territorial scope of the parent article Fort Bonifacio. We know that both Bonifacio Global City and Bonifacio Capital District are part of that former military reservation as established in most media sources, but what is its actual territorial extent at present? I checked on both existing articles, they say nothing. What we do know is the area for the disputed Fort Bonifacio (now a barangay of Taguig) which is 461.56 hectares. But that does not include Pinagsama and Western Bicutan which have long been part of Taguig, or does it? By relying on Fort Bonifacio barangay area, we are effectively excluding McKinley Hill, The Heritage Park, Heroes Cemetery and the Supreme Court Complex which are vital parts of Bonifacio Capital District, from the article. So i had to dig deeper. The BCDA charter of 1992 mentions around 400 hectares of Fort Bonifacio that were then planned to be converted. So this might be the area of the present barangay of Fort Bonifacio. But again, we needed to get Pinagsama and Western Bicutan into the equation to be able to cover those other vital parts of BCD. I find nothing from mil.ph. And nothing from the official gazette either except for a ton of proclamations over several decades that show the shrinkage of the former Fort McKinley reservation through several exemptions and parcel by parcel disposal of land holdings. From this Inquirer article dated November 2017, the figure is at 729 hectares, and when i checked again on the earlier ruling, that 729ha actually includes the -embo barangays of Makati, which are obviously outside the scope of BCDA&Fort Bonifacio. We need to get confirmation that the 400+ hectares includes Pinagsama's McKinley Hill and Heritage Park, and Western Bicutan's Heroes Cemetery, etc. I need help! To be continued..--RioHondo (talk) 18:06, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, i found what i was looking for. 723 hectares is the total for Fort Bonifacio at the time of BCDA's creation of which only 400 hectares (240 for the BGC and 160 for BCD were programmed for conversion). Interesting. The article should definitely be at Fort Bonifacio and not based on how BCDA is partioning it. thanks SC! Can't wait to begin.--RioHondo (talk) 19:13, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , FYI before you continue with your arbitrary renaming of articles again. Kindly discuss here first, or tell us how you could help. Thanks--RioHondo (talk) 06:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

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Land Dispute Sections, plural
Pointing out that there are two separate sections covering the land dispute. I think the longer one, under "history" should be removed from there and moved to the top level section near the bottom. However, I am not a legal expert and don't think I should be the one to do that. Request assistance. - MistahPeemayer (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2023 (UTC)