Talk:Bonjour Tristesse (1958 film)

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Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move for the film; the request for the novel has been withdrawn. Cúchullain t/ c 15:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

* Bonjour tristesse → Bonjour Tristesse Per comments below, nobody proposes this for the novel. -EdJ
 * Bonjour tristesse (film) → Bonjour Tristesse (film)


 * Support as nominator. Move is as per correct reading of MoS. SchroCat (talk) 12:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose – Since we use the French title for this movie, according to Manual of Style (France & French-related) we should be using the French Wikipedia's capitalization rules, which would not capitalize 'tristesse'. EdJohnston (talk) 13:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Why do we use the French MoS for an Anglo-American film? I can understand if the film was French made, but not for a UK/US production. As far as I read the MoS, it refers only to "French titles of literary works", not film works - and certainly not film works of an Anglo-American source. - SchroCat (talk) 14:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: I moved the discussion here from WP:RM/TR to allow a consensus to be formed. EdJohnston (talk) 15:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Strongly oppose for novel the RM includes the novel, where Manual of Style (France & French-related) has no question. For the film, neutral, but note per John Gaffney, Diana Holmes Stardom in Postwar France 2011 Page 191 "Big names were used - Deborah Kerr and David Niven in Bonjour tristesse, for example, " indicates that some English sources make the film consistent with the novel even though the film is American. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This discussion is only for the film, not the novel. - SchroCat (talk) 17:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * SchroCat, then please delete Bonjour tristesse → Bonjour Tristesse from the template. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:26, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll leave that for EdJohnston to do, partly as I'm unsure how to, and partly because it was his setting up of the template. Interesting about the Stardom book, but a skim through the results of a Google Books search shows the majority of English language references being in the Anglo style, rather than the rather odd French style. That includes Francois Truffaut's translation of his autobiography, a biography of Otto Preminger, the Guide to British Cinema, and a number of academic works, as well as websites such as TCM and the two main film institutes (whose member companies produced the films), the AFI and the BFI. - SchroCat (talk) 19:05, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Support for the movie. Red Slash 05:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose – I see no rationale from either the nom or the supporter above. Why?  It looks like a correct French title already; matches the novel, too.  If there's a reason, please state it so that we can consider it; "as per correct reading of MoS" is not an adequate hint.  Dicklyon (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's all covered above: There is no reason to use the rather odd French MoS for an Anglo-American film. It is understandable if the film were of French origin, but not for a UK/US production. As regards the MoS, it refers only to "French titles of literary works", not film works - and certainly not film works of an Anglo-American source. Added to that, WP::COMMONNAME also comes into play: see the google books search result, and the weight of use against this rather odd and arcane piece of formatting. - SchroCat (talk) 21:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. I hadn't read all the discussion, just notice that the proposal was vacuous.  I'll withdraw my opposition. Dicklyon (talk) 02:57, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong support I'm sorry, but WP:FRMOS can't possibly apply here, as this is a British-American film! What's next, moving Le Divorce to Le divorce? --BDD (talk) 05:35, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
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