Talk:Bonnie Rotten/Archive 1

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedy deleted as an attack or a negative unsourced biography of a living person, because the subject is notable and meets the notability guidelines on WP, namely WP:PORNBIO and WP:ANYBIO. If an article is vandalized the best thing to do is revert those edits. If vandalism is an ongoing problem for a certain article, than semi-protect it. --Rebecca1990 (talk) 10:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Max Hardcore
Litigation, regarding what? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 18:56, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a sensitive topic so I'm going to decline to elaborate. There's an OTRS ticket on the topic (2014060910017956) where they're aware of what it is and are in agreement with me. Tabercil (talk) 22:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Is IMDB a reliable source?
IMDB lists Bonie Rottens real name. If the Movie Database is a reliable source, the real name has to be in the article too. If not, we can delete the link to the IMDB, in this case it's useless. --77.57.81.227 (talk) 13:34, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It is not a reliable source for her real name. Nymf (talk) 13:49, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It is considered to be generally reliable for things like filmographies. Biographical info such as real names are not considered reliable though. See WP:RS/IMDB and External links/Perennial websites. Tabercil (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * IMDB is not reliable for biographical information. It's regarded as reliable to the extent that it collates routinely published information (eg, actual film credits), but it is extremely easy to sneak spurious information into. It's convenient to reference noncontroversial statements, but it shouldn't be used as a reference for anything controversial or potentially contentious. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh hell no, not for a porn star's real name. Connecting Rotten with the cable tv series Clothed Female Nude Male is one thing, but her actual name without third party verification, forget it. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 19:23, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * What about first-party verification? Her website is now at her birth name. Arlo James Barnes 20:37, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

2015 - new Director gig
http://business.avn.com/company-news/Bonnie-Rotten-Inks-Directing-Deal-with-Elegant-Angel-589458.html --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:53, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Actual names
Multiple credible sources affirm that her birth, and apparently still legal, name is Alaina Antoinnette Hicks. It is unclear if she is legally married and has taken DeSantis as her legal last name. There are additional sites, for instance MySpace, where she she apparently posted as Alaina Hicks. These apparently precede her use of Bonnie Rotten. Her mother married (or remarried) some years after Alaina's birth. To protect the mother's privacy I didn't post what seems to be her current married name. Nicmart (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You should not be using government records like trademark or birth records per WP:BLPPRIMARY. It is a form of original research to draw conclusions from them, and editors should not be investigative journalists. Morbidthoughts (talk) 05:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Obviously, Myspace can't be used as a valid source for pretty much anything here on Wikipedia. Pretty much anyone can post under any name that they choose on a website like that. Social media sites, in general, should be avoid as valid citations in Wikipedia articles. Guy1890 (talk) 07:01, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * To be fair, these sources: &  appear to validly cite this performer's real or legal name.
 * There also appear to have been a lot of press releases cited in some recent edits to this article here. One can use those kind of sources for some uncontroversial content, but I think it's important to cite them separately from other, more trusted sources by using the specific template provided here on Wikipedia for those kind of references. Guy1890 (talk) 07:01, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * What press releases? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicmart (talk • contribs) 13:51, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The article here has been heavily edited at this late date, and one can clearly see the press releases (which are labelled as such on the various original websites that they are from) highlighted as such. Guy1890 (talk) 02:40, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Courthouse News and Cook County Record (published by the advocacy org Institute for Legal Reform) are niche publications and don't have the normal indicators of editorial oversight such as a masthead or even a mailing address. Even if the information is factual, it hasn't exactly been "widely published" by reliable, mainstream sources. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:18, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Career section
That section is a jumble. It needs to be enlarged and made more coherent. Nicmart (talk) 01:48, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Other ventures reversion
There is no reason to revert the information about other ventures. I provided two ad samples from a well-known site and a confirmation from a publication which tracks such things. I also supplied reviews from an unrelated site. So, this fact is doubly confirmed by the sources and should remain. The person reverting says that ads have been remained after other performers have died. So what? Death doesn't invalidate history. If this person died tomorrow her porn history would not be invalid. I believe the reverter said something about escort agencies lying about what porn stars work for them, but that is irrelevant because no agency was apparently involved. The evidence is that this was her own posting, and the reviews confirm that. Nicmart (talk) 14:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I want to ad that I have no opinion about the right or wrong of Rotten escorting. Any opinion on that is immaterial to its inclusion in her entry. The evidence is sufficient to merit inclusion, and it is part of her career. Nicmart (talk) 17:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * If what the above commentary is about is escorting claims and using various escorting websites and/or online web forums for "citing" that kind of info here on Wikipedia, then that's clearly not a valid way to go about things. I'll be doing a pass through this article soon, and if those kind of junk sources remain in this article, they are going to be going away...along with any info that they are claiming to "source". Guy1890 (talk) 06:52, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

When she began stripping reversion
I supplied a source with Ms. Hicks telling on camera in an interview when she began stripping. That trumps an article about the topic. There is no reason to doubt her live, on camera, statement. Nicmart (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The reliability of a video and its source has to be considered in order to be used as a reference. If it was taken and uploaded by joe schmoe, that's not adequate to cite to on wikipedia. If it is uploaded by news media, then you have to look at the reputation of that news media. See Video links. Morbidthoughts (talk) 06:00, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I added content
She’s a competive professional pistol shooter. Quit deleting that truths. 64.253.221.193 (talk) 15:52, 2 February 2022 (UTC)