Talk:Book of Lies (album)

Professional review?
From the article's Revision history there has been an edit war since 19:22, 17 November 2008 when User:124.171.60.153 (talk) added a Review link to the infobox. It was deleted by User:Dan arndt (talk | contribs ) with an edit summary: non-professional review. Subsequently the review was returned by User:203.158.52.39, User:124.168.129.72, User:124.170.169.183, User:124.170.125.145 and each time was reverted by Dan arndt. Thereafter further inclusions and deletions occurred with edit summaries supplying the main dialogue between various editors. Currently the article has a protection to prevent anonymous reverting until 09:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC).

The article currently includes the contentious review link. To provide background on this dispute I will categorise the edit summaries provided as either Keep or Delete:

At this point, 19:29, 11 December 2008, William M. Connolley (talk | contribs ) blocked the article from further anonymous reverting with: m (Protected Book of Lies (album): anon rv'ing ([edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 09:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)) [move=autoconfirmed] (expires 09:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC))))

Towards a resolution
Although not certain, it appears that most, if not all, of the Keep edit summaries are from anonymous editor(s) with few edits other than this article. Some of the Delete with no edit summaries supplied were also from anonymous editor(s). The main registered editor in favour of Delete is Dan arndt.

The contention revolves around what constitutes a Professional review. With Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums providing:


 * Professional reviews may include only reviews written by professional music journalists or DJs, or found within any online or print publication having a (paid or volunteer) editorial and writing staff (which excludes personal blogs). The standard for inclusion always is that the review meet Wikipedia's guideline for reliable sources and that the source be independent of the artist, record company, etc. A list of some sources of professional reviews is available at WP:ALBUM sites.

And later:


 * When choosing which reviews to include, consider the notability of the review source and keeping a neutral point of view.

I favour the Delete option because:
 * It is not a professional review
 * No editorial or writing staff are identified. The author of the particular 'review' is given as Jonny who describes himself as: "Jonny rides a bad ass BMX, was the chief ghost writer on Wu-Tang Clan's 36 Chambers and invented Blu Tak."Jonny.
 * It is not a notable source
 * Not on WP:ALBUM sites
 * It is not written in a neutral point of view
 * It contains phrases such as: " to recognise shit disguised as 'music' [...]  Burford comes across as more of a dickhead than ever  [...] full to the brim of rock cliches and vomit-inducing "pre-made hits" [...] This is pure 400% uncreative crap"Jonny's review of Book of Lies.

If no further discussion is supplied, I propose deleting the link.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

It's a harsh review, but is it any worse than most pitchfork reviews? If their review for Shine On is considered professional than pretty much anything can be. Plus what seems to constitute a non professional review on the guidelines page seems to exist so people don't post reviews where all that is required is a valid email account to create an account and start writing. Given that this site has a few writers, it must be assumed that the general consensus of the album was that its terrible Cereal killer (talk) 22:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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