Talk:Book of Roads and Kingdoms (Ibn Khordadbeh)

Medieval Islamic Civilization
The book cited as a source actually claims that ibn Khordadbeh "drew heavily on foreign sources in his description of the world. Claudius Ptolemy (d. 170 CE) is named as an influence both by modern scholars and by the author himself, and there is internal textual evidence that Greek geographical notions shaped Ibn Khurradadhbih's understanding of the Universe." http://books.google.com/books?id=H-k9oc9xsuAC&dq=Medieval+Islamic+Civilization:+An+Encyclopedia&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=1tMRSsS1MZCk8QS0h-igBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#PPA360,M1 Please do not make false claims based on RS. Thank you. Uirauna (talk) 21:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This article is about this one book, not all the works of Khordadbeh, the source says, this particular book, in comparison to other s' books (khwarazmi's for example), did not have as much influence from Greek geographical notions. In fact the Persian system of world division differs from that of Greeks. The source says even more than what has been added here. Also I do not see you have edited this page before.--Xashaiar (talk) 12:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * First, I came to this page from the random article, net having edited it before does not means that I can't revert a bad edit. Second, the source speaks clearly about this book:
 * "is known primarily for his work Book of Roads and Kingdoms (...). The work is among the earliest examples (...). Having few, if any, prototypes with which to work, Ibn Khurradadhbih drew heavily on foreign sources in his description of the world. Claudius Ptolemy (d. 170 CE) is named as an influence both by modern scholars and by the author himself, and there is internal textual evidence that Greek geographical notions shaped Ibn Khurradadhbih's understanding of the Universe."
 * That IS CLEAR, the author (ibn Khordadbeh himself) claims that he used Ptolemy as a source. Your argument is thus false. The only thing it mentions about not drawing is:
 * "However, Ptolemy's mathematical approach manifests itself more obviously in the arabic works of, for example, Musa (...) than it does in Book of Roads and Kingdoms"
 * So, it states ONLY about Ptolemy's mathematical approach, and ONLY that it's presence in the works of Musa are more clear than in Book of Roads and Kingdoms. That does not mean that it is small as you said, and the source itself says there are barelly any local sources to use, while you claim "These reflect the existence of Iranian sources at the heart of the work.". The change you did is not allowed per WP:SYN.
 * Please either remove your false claims or we can request a third party to read the source. Thank you. Uirauna (talk) 13:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Source explicitly says, what's been cited. Check the 3rd paragraph of the source, on left side of the book. You will see that Xahsyar's edit is 100% correct and in accordance with the source--132.205.4.105 (talk) 20:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Please copy here the section to which Xashaiar's edit is in accordance since I can't seem to find it in the book, as you can see I have copied above the section which contraticts Xashaiar's claims. Uirauna (talk) 22:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * So? Uirauna (talk) 16:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

the source the bottom half of the 3rd pargraph the line that starts with "Furthermore, the frequent use of Persian..."--Xashaiar (talk) 01:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I found it now! Thank you! Sorry for not seeing it earlier. Uirauna (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)