Talk:Bootleggers and Baptists

Other barriers to entry
What about lightbulb makers pressing for regulation to ban incandescent light bulbs? This would be in their interest, as energy efficient light bulbs require complex technology and have significant barrier to entry. Does anyone know what the stance of GE, Phillips, etc was on banning incandescent light bulbs?

This article sounds kinda libertarian. I think it should be deleted, or else turned into a nice pro-regulation piece of propaganda.201.213.48.54 (talk) 03:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You're being sarcastic, right? In all seriousness and sincerity, I think we both can agree that Wikipedia should be as objective, impartial, and neutral as possible. That being said, I actually do think the article might lean slightly more towards being pro-libertarian (and anti-regulation), and on issues like this, I'm essentially a libertarian so if anything, one would think I would be more biased the other way (in being paranoid thinking it was anti-libertarian).  At any rate, I would also like to see some other examples, such as the owners of adult entertainment clubs sometimes secretly siding with the religious right (and/or pressuring the same public officials/politicians) to put a competitor out of business, and I think more broadly, this might help shed some light on why so many "godless sinners" (drinkers, druggers, libertines, etc.) vote the same way as Bible thumpers do, at least in Red States. They must figure that the guilt that kind of religion causes makes the sinning all the more fun, and would hate to diminish or "cheapen" that fun by making all the naughty things they love to do legal, permissible, condoned, tolerated, etc. (it might also take away the "forbidden fruit" factor of teenage/youth rebellion, middle aged hypocrisy, etc.). Shanoman (talk) 04:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

War on drugs similar
This goes for the "War on drugs" too. It's the laws that make the victims, much more so than the substances themselves. 213.84.34.241 (talk) 17:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

UK porn ban similar
This would also apply to the UK porn legislation that has been introduced lately. On one hand politicians can take the moral high ground "for the children" and in the background a filter on undesirable content is placed on the internet. It's already been proposed that the filter apply to content that is not porn: http://www.businessinsider.com.au/uk-ban-on-extremist-web-sites-2013-11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sacredsocks (talk • contribs) 08:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Page needs work
Everything on this page past the "Analysis" section is incoherent. This article needs a lot of work. I would say that this article is not libertarian enough, considering that it is basically a public choice article (critical of government) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.15.155 (talk) 13:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Taking a crack at rewrite
I agree the page needs a thorough rewrite both for accuracy and clarity. I'll give it a try.

I don't think there's a political issue here. This is a general point of microeconomics that is not controversial in itself. Libertarians dislike the effect, because it helps groups who would normally oppose each other form alliances for anti-libertarian practices. Other people might like it, because it allows good results to follow from bad intentions. But how you feel about it has nothting to do with whether or not the effect exists. AaCBrown (talk) 15:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I did the rewrite. I tried to save as much of the original page as possible. I tried to address the libertarian philosophy versus economic theory point in as neutral a way as possible (it was hard finding a neutral source). I'm not sure it belongs in there at all. AaCBrown (talk) 14:28, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Added a literal example
I'm not sure if it adds depth to the article, but when I came across a news story about literal Baptists joining with literal liquor sellers to oppose legalization of alcohol sales, I decided to reference it, especially because the head Baptist mentioned similar alliances against pornography and gambling.

I'm not wedded to it, if anyone wants to take it out, I won't argue.

AaCBrown (talk) 15:02, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Gay Shame
There is a tacit alliance between some social conservatives and members of radical gay separatist groups (like Gay Shame) over the shared opposition to gay mainstreaming and gay marriage. This seems like another example of this phenomenon. FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 19:33, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

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