Talk:Bootstrapping

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Needs Criticism section for better NPOV
Bootstrapping, and the phrase it originated from, "pull oneself up by one's bootstraps", has been notably criticized and that criticism is deserving of including in this article to balance out (NPOV) the current overwhelming positive framing / perspective in the article.

Some sources: Tantek (talk) 21:53, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps-nonsense_us_5b1ed024e4b0bbb7a0e037d4
 * https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/child-development-central/201701/the-myth-bootstraps
 * http://ideas.time.com/2012/09/07/the-myth-of-bootstrapping/
 * https://www.teenvogue.com/story/the-pulling-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps-myth-explained
 * https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/pulling-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps-is-actually-impossible
 * https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/05/debunking-bootstraps-myth/
 * http://the-toast.net/2013/12/04/pulling-yourself-up-too-high-by-your-own-bootstraps/
 * https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/pull_oneself_up_by_one%27s_bootstraps — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C6:4300:2A9:3C91:8C03:48EB:5CBC (talk) 14:21, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposing Edits
Updating Business to include entrepreneurship. Updating outdated link sources

Boot unrelated to Bootstrap
The use of boot, boot up and reboot in Computing is unrelated to the metaphorical use of (pulling oneself up by the) bootstrap/s.

The term boot up relates to the physical necessity of giving old-fashioned mainframes a kick to get them started. You had to give them a boot up the arse.

Nuttyskin (talk) 19:37, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

References trustability
Many relevant statements in this article, e.g., the ones referring to the origin of the bootstrapping term, are based on quite unknown sources. It is nice to invent explanations such as the "pull oneself over a fence by one's bootstraps" one but Wikipedia is not the place for that. Either such statements should be removed, or notable sources should be added.

M. B., Jr. (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * No notable sources are being provided. In a few days,the referred statements will be removed. M. B., Jr. (talk) 16:07, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * "A more practical and common interpretation is that the phrase infers that when a person wants to succeed, the first thing they need to do before hard work, is to put on their boots. In this sense, the phrase makes perfect sense, as most working people put their shoes or boots on as the last item of clothing before they start for work.[1][2][3]" These sources don't say this at all (and I wonder if one can find any that do). 73.149.22.193 (talk) 03:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed the paragraph without bothering to check what the sources said, since the sources were weak anyway. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)