Talk:Booz Allen Hamilton/Archive 1

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 * "There is growing concern among critics of recent trends in government intrusion into the personal lives of American citizens over the privatization of government intelligence activities. Booz Allen is among the central players in this area."

If there is a source for this it should be readded. Jon513 17:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I have two sources I'll be adding to support the criticism. Will try to create a Criticism or Concerns subsection.Truthteller 19:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

History Section
The history section needs to be Wikified and its length cut 90%. Also, any future modifications to the "Recruiting" section need to keep the plugs out of the additions (i.e., no "most elite" or "widely recognized").-DMCer 16:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This seems promotional not encyclopedic Secretlondon 13:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Offices section
This section lists far more information than on similar pages. Comparisons with the pages for SAIC, Accenture, EDS, Titan, Keane, and Lockheed Martin reveal they do not list their office sites like this at all. Will delete this section that is already in dispute. 71.248.94.152 15:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Criticisms & Controversies
I restored the Crits and Contros section which was previously deleted by someone without explanation. The statements in this section are referenced and stated as the opinions and discussions of others, which should be fair by Wiki standards.Truthteller 20:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Misc
Moved these to the bottom as they were at the top of the discussion page and not under any heading.


 * It seems to me that the website mentioned (http://www.valuebasedmanagement.net/consultants_boozallenhamilton.html) probably took the same text from the bah.com website. Wouldn't it make sense for the company itself to be the originator of their own content, not some other website (valuebasedmanagement.net)? It seems strange to me. - User:djKianoosh


 * I work for Booz Allen on "the Commercial side" - I think the definition provided here is accurate and would likely pass the Firm's marketing guidelines, surprisingly. - ML


 * Firm no longer has a commercial and government side. All one firm.


 * The first and 5th paragraphs are a direct lift from the History section of the Booz Allen Website. :I wouldn't be surprised if the rest was lifted from the mission statement etc.  This article need to be made more encyclopedic **Punt**
 * Niro5 16:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The link to "Technology Consulting" is directed towards the "IT Consulting" site. Technology consulting can however be considered a much broader field than just IT Consulting. May be the link should be changed.

Edittman (talk) 20:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

History
Hello. Need some folks to flesh out the history section since the firm has been around for 93 years. Please add as you are able and be sure to identify appropriate sources with your additions. Thank you. Edittman (talk) 20:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing by Edittman.
I am working through a bunch of edits to add information to this page. Not everything will be Wikipedia-proof until I'm further along so don't fret if you see something that is out of alignment. It's a work in progress. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edittman (talk • contribs) 02:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

deleted content
User EnlightenDead posted "Booz Allen got hacked so bad and released most of their private documents. They also like people punching them. Booz Allen is short for Booze Allnight, cause thats why they do. Drink Booze Allnight!"

Diensthuber (talk) 00:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Diensthuber

why was this deleted?

Please read the comment added above, where the user pointed out that Wikipedia pages for several other similar companies do not display a lengthy, linked list of each of the company's office sites. I, for one, agree with the assessment and the change.Truthteller 20:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Booz Allen also competes with McKinsey, BCG, and Bain which do indeed list office locations.


 * Then they should be deleted from thoes locations also. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  19:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

That works for me.


 * Actually folks, the listing of offices is hardly any problem for this article. I'm placing them back in.
 * Edittman (talk) 02:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And I am removing them again. It is pointless as it does not link to anything that even mentions BAH, just the country articles. What is the point of linking to country articles? It would fall under the same nono as a mall listing all their stores, or every location of a Wal-Mart being mentioned in that article. I havent any objection to the Regional HQ's being mentioned, but the entire list is pointless. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  05:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

==Offices==

===North America===

🇺🇸 Aberdeen, Maryland 🇺🇸 Annapolis, Maryland 🇺🇸 Arlington, Virginia 🇺🇸 Atlanta, Georgia 🇺🇸 Baltimore, Maryland 🇺🇸 Boston, Massachusetts 🇺🇸 Chantilly, Virginia 🇺🇸 Charleston, South Carolina 🇺🇸 Chicago, Illinois 🇺🇸 Cleveland, Ohio 🇺🇸 Colorado Springs, Colorado 🇺🇸 Dallas, Texas 🇺🇸 Dayton, Ohio 🇺🇸 Detroit, Michigan 🇺🇸 Dulles, Virginia 🇺🇸 Durham, North Carolina 🇺🇸 Eatontown, New Jersey 🇺🇸 Falls Church, Virginia 🇺🇸 Franklin, Massachusetts

🇺🇸 Greenwood Village, Colorado 🇺🇸 Honolulu, Hawaii 🇺🇸 Houston, Texas 🇺🇸 Huntsville, Alabama 🇺🇸 Indianapolis, Indiana 🇺🇸 Johnston, Iowa 🇺🇸 Johnstown, Pennsylvania 🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada 🇺🇸 Leavenworth, Kansas 🇺🇸 Lexington Park, Maryland 🇺🇸 Linthicum, Maryland 🇺🇸 Los Angeles, California 🇺🇸 McLean, Virginia (Worldwide HQ) 🇺🇸 Melbourne, Florida 🇺🇸 Metairie, Louisiana 🇺🇸 Natick, Massachusetts 🇺🇸 New York, New York 🇺🇸 Newark, New Jersey 🇺🇸 Newport, Rhode Island

🇺🇸 Norfolk, Virginia 🇺🇸 O'Fallon, Illinois 🇺🇸 Omaha, Nebraska 🇺🇸 Orlando, Florida 🇺🇸 Parsippany, New Jersey 🇺🇸 Pensacola, Florida 🇺🇸 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 🇺🇸 Rockville, Maryland 🇺🇸 Rome, New York 🇺🇸 Salt Lake City, Utah 🇺🇸 San Antonio, Texas 🇺🇸 San Diego, California 🇺🇸 San Francisco, California 🇺🇸 Santa Maria, California 🇺🇸 Seattle, Washington 🇺🇸 Stafford, Virginia 🇺🇸 Tampa, Florida 🇺🇸 Urbandale, Iowa 🇺🇸 Washington, DC

===Europe===

🇳🇱 Amsterdam 🇩🇪 Berlin 🇩🇰 Copenhagen 🇮🇪 Dublin 🇩🇪 Dusseldorf 🇩🇪 Frankfurt

🇫🇮 Helsinki London 🇪🇸 Madrid 🇮🇹 Milan 🇷🇺 Moscow 🇩🇪 Munich 🇳🇴 Oslo

🇫🇷 Paris 🇮🇹 Rome 🇸🇪 Stockholm 🇦🇹 Vienna 🇵🇱 Warsaw 🇨🇭 Zurich

===Asia & Oceania===

🇳🇿 Auckland 🇹🇭 Bangkok 🇨🇳 Beijing 🇦🇺 Brisbane

🇦🇺 Canberra 🇭🇰 Hong Kong 🇦🇺 Melbourne 🇨🇳 Shanghai

🇦🇺 Sydney 🇯🇵 Tokyo 🇳🇿 Wellington

===Latin America===

🇨🇴 Bogotá 🇦🇷 Buenos Aires

🇻🇪 Caracas 🇲🇽 Mexico City 🇧🇷 Rio de Janeiro

🇨🇱 Santiago 🇧🇷 Sao Paulo

===Middle East & Africa===

Abu Dhabi Dubai

🇪🇬 Cairo

🇱🇧 Beirut 🇸🇦 Riyadh

Defence Contractor
The good ole BBC lists it as a "defence contractor", http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22836378

which doesn't come across in the lede - yet: "''providing management and technology consulting services to the United States government and commercial services. Booz Allen’s services include strategic planning, human capital and learning, communications, operational improvement, information technology work, systems engineering, organizational change efforts, modeling and simulation, program management, assurance and resilience, and economic business analysis." Hmmm... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.18.242.92 (talk) 05:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

BAH is not how we refer to ourselves.
We at Booz Allen do not use "BAH" to abbreviate our firm's name. We abbreviate "Booz Allen Hamilton" to "Booz Allen". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Gavalas (talk • contribs) 14:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This response is meant as a general statement to employees of companies who take issue with Wikipedia. The use of company abbreviations has nothing to do with your company, your culture, or how you refer to yourselves. The use of abbreviations is to help the reader quickly understand who the subject of the sentence or paragraph is. It replaces having to use "Booz Allen Hamilton" every time the company is reference. Gorba (talk) 17:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Well - I used to work there (for more than 8 years) and while we didn't put it on external documents, we routinely used BAH in email and in conversation, and all of the alumni and many of the current employees I work with still use it as shorthand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ygbsm (talk • contribs) 19:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

content update suggestions
I work for Booz Allen Hamilton Marketing and Communication's and noticed a few things that since the separation of the company are now not correct. I know that it is against the Wikipedia policy for Booz Allen employee's to update this page, but I hope that these edits can be incorporated at some point.

> 1st sentence - we now have "80" offices throughout the nation, http://www.boozallen.com/about (5th paragraph)

> External links - Strategy+Business is no longer a Booz Allen Hamilton publication, this publication is run by Booz & Company

> External links - the German Booz Allen website has been taken down due to the separation, and is now just a splash page directing users to the main BoozAllen.com and Booz.com sites

> more of an fyi, External links - there is a link without anchor text

BoozAllenHamilton-MC (talk) 21:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

-Hey marketing... you may want to address in the world Wiki here before all the editors the issues with your company and associates' enabling what some people are calling US institutional treachery. You have your work cut out for you... and while you add to the information for Wikipedia users, keep in mind some of us still have clean heads and mores and don't care about your software. You and your associates seem to have Pod the people who wrote it methinks, and the world news shows. So please perhaps update some of your flower-power slanted ad-themed Wiki page to reflect the current state of Booz Et Alia, and by relation, the current state of the world debate and Wiki record of the issues now at hand as of this writing.

Some of the history of edits in this article are now part of the background story of world events. They had better not disappear from the record of Wiki and should remain for interested, freedom loving researchers, reporters and Wiki lovers the world over. By way of its edit history, the Wikipedia itself is a record, and test of the freedoms Wikipedia stands on. Some of the people who are looking down at this whole situation look straight through your prismatic fluff and will bury your credibility forever with nine letters.

It would seem from the actions of Ed the Leak that Booz has nothing less then a world-class public relations nightmare going on. If you were paying me I'd advise you to start looking for a new firm name or job... the chess pieces Booz has look great but even the key has a keymaker so and the story is just starting to heat up.

And I'm loud and proud for people who want the truths available to all for open debate and discussion.

Just a wild guess but you and your interests probably have several more leaks coming and it's very probably about to spread and engulf all of you.

What say you? Will the People of the spied-upon world be able to count on you and yours to tell the truth and become part of the cure? Will Booz rise to that occasion or are we already talking to a corpse with a paper trail?

The content of these PRISM and other Wiki articles are about to become center stage in world events as The People of the Digital World seek accurate verifiable concise information on the people, events and the entities that affect us all. That list now includes Booz Allen and your clients.

The curt middle-of-the-road record has become critical in the world conversation. People turn to Wikipedia in search for verifiable information about events that, obviously now, seem to affect their world and leader's mores and motivations.

Don't think the people of Wikipedia don't see the record of edits and see what this company is and does. Own it and don't anyone think they are going to gloss it over or blow whistles on what people are saying your firm helped do to the people of the world. I can see that 99% of you don't realize you were had long ago the name gave up what you did to nerds.

Now clean up your acts before the internet consumes everyone in that company and marks them for life in the eyes of the world. I'm betting the people who edit Wikis waaay better than me will agree this page and the prism page will end up contentious so there's gonna be no playing around we don't care if you contract to the NSA some of us know the whole picture way over your heads prefer to represent the sane people of the world and the REAL patriotic USA not the few wackos who didn't realize they bought keys from what in MHO here on the 'talk edit' page of the issue, will be historically proven to be goose chase influence peddling blabbermouths in the NSA.

CutThruTheNoise (talk) 02:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

CutThruTheNoise, Do you realize your response or advice is to a person that left the info above yours almost five years ago? Also the Wikipedia talk page is not the place to rant about about your opinions of Booz Allen Hamiltion.--98.87.169.49 (talk) 22:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps he should change his username to CreateLotsOfNoise 174.52.161.167 (talk) 22:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Double POV: very positive and very negative does not equal NPOV
This article is in rough shape. Authors are: how so? All stated are facts with references?
 * advertising and marketing BAH in ways that are definitely against Wikipedia quality standards
 * criticizing BAH for a portion that may constitute undue weight by Wikipedia quality standards
 * organization is poor, article does not read well

Propose: reverse outline and rewrite — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.93.61 (talk) 16:56, 11 June 2013

Missing basic corporate information
Some basic information seems to be missing for this organization. For example, what does BAH do? My impression was that they were a government consulting (outsourcing?) firm, but has that changed since the strategy arm was divested and acquired by PwC? Is there a non-public sector services group? Is it true that the company has moved beyond computer/IT services and into civil engineering for the Army and Navy? Did BAH really reduce international staff and is now focused primarily on the USA as its main client? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:90CC:4700:7820:ACE5:82CC:9B9F (talk) 20:58, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Unexplained cleanup tag
What's the reason for the cleanup tag that was added to this article in 2013? Jarble (talk) 05:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Can someone lead consensus items about conflict of interest -- BAH marketing team editing this article
This article has had Neutrality flagged for way too long. Someone without conflict of interest problems should lead the resolution. I'm not qualified to do this (Have never done it before on Wikipedia). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.174.128.215 (talk) 08:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any progress on this front and per NPOV the conversation has definitely become dormant. I vote to remove the tag. Any dissent?  DATAKEEPER    ✉    00:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * waited several months, deleting. DATAKEEPER    ✉    22:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

History Section
I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I have noticed an error in the history section. The original name for the company was not Edwin G. Booz Surveys. That name wasn't used until 1924. The original name was "The Business Research Service." BoozAllenBrand (talk) 16:55, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Missing basic corporate information
I work for Booz Allen marketing and communications. Booz Allen's core business is to provide consulting, cyber, analytics, digital, and engineering services to corporations, governments, and not-for-profits. When Booz & Co spun off from Booz Allen, all non-public-sector and all international work went with Booz & Co. Per their agreement, Booz Allen did not perform those types of services for three years. However, since 2010, Booz Allen has been active in both private sector and international markets. Kemples (talk) 07:10, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

content update suggestions (II)
I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to suggest some content updates, but understand that it is inappropriate for someone from Booz Allen to do so. I am new to Wikipedia, so if I make any etiquette mistakes, please let me know. My goal is simply to help improve the quality of the article with factual, up-to-date information. Under Organization, I would like to propose adding the following:

In 2008, Booz & Company was spun off from Booz Allen Hamilton, in conjunction with a private equity takeover by The Carlyle Group.[8] At the time, Booz & Company consisted of the commercial portion of Booz Allen Hamilton's consulting business, as well as all consulting operations with government entities outside the United States. After the spin-off, Booz Allen Hamilton then focused exclusively on U.S. government consulting endeavors. In 2011, however, when the three-year noncompete provision expired, Booz Allen Hamilton began building out its commercial consulting practice, focusing on technology integration and cybersecurity programs.

In 2010, Booz Allen went public again with an initial offering of 14,000,000 shares at $17 per share. In 2012, Booz Allen acquired the defense systems engineering and support division of ARINC Inc. to build on existing engineering capabilities, broaden in technical areas such as C4ISR, and supplement presence in the defense market with additional contracts for the U.S. Navy and Air Force.

In 2014, Booz Allen expanded its health analytics capabilities with Epidemico, an informatics company providing early insights, continuous monitoring and consumer engagement for varied aspects of population health, including disease outbreaks, drug safety, supply chain vulnerabilities.

In 2015, Booz Allen acquired the software services unit of the Charleston, S.C. technology firm SPARC, to grow capabilities in Agile software development.

In 2016, Booz Allen acquired Aquilent, an architect of .gov solutions for the Federal government, bolstering Booz Allen’s capabilities in building citizen-focused digital services.

In 2017, Booz Allen acquired Morphick, extending Booz Allen’s offerings in advanced cyber defense services.

BoozAllenBrand (talk) 16:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest. I have moved your suggestions to the bottom into a new thread - otherwise they would probably get lost in an old thread that was started 10 years ago :) - new threads should generally be added at the bottom. But I'll leave checking your specific suggestions to the local topic experts. GermanJoe (talk) 17:21, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, thank you for all of your helpful information today. I followed your advice and have actually put these suggestions into User:Kemples/subpage so that someone can proofread it to make sure it is neutral and appropriate. Kemples (talk) 06:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note that since this section was placed w/o any request templates attached to it, no action could be taken. The only active template placed on this page today was placed in the section just below this one—and that section is regarded as a different section.  (See WP:MINDREADER.) Also note that references to drafts existing elsewhere should be linked-to here as a courtesy. Regards,   spintendo   04:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Request edit on original name of Booz Allen Hamilton
I work for Booz Allen's Marketing and Communications team. I noticed a factual error on the page that should be corrected. This article cites Edwin G. Booz Surveys as the original founding name of the company in 1914 but this name wasn't in use until 1924. The original name was The Business Research Service.

If you approve the edit, the first sentence under History/Beginnings should read: After graduating from Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois in 1914, Edwin G. Booz founded The Business Research Service.

Kemples (talk) 06:32, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 12-SEP-2018
 spintendo   04:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed additions for History/Organization section
''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to suggest more recent information regarding the company's organization, particularly language detailing the split between Booz Allen and Booz & Co (now Strategy&). Please note that the first paragraph is actually currently in use on Strategy&'s wikipedia page. Given that Booz Allen and Strategy& were the same company until 2008, I think it is more consistent and appropriate to use the same language for both pages. Content suggestions should begin a new paragraph after In 2007 managing director Mark Gerencser said that being privately held allowed the firm to consider long-range investments that companies beholden to shareholders might not be able to make.[11]''

Proposed Additions: In 2008, Booz & Company was spun off from Booz Allen Hamilton, in conjunction with a private equity takeover by The Carlyle Group. At the time, Booz & Company consisted of the commercial portion of Booz Allen Hamilton's consulting business, as well as all consulting operations with government entities outside the United States. After the spin-off, Booz Allen Hamilton then focused exclusively on U.S. government consulting endeavors. In 2011, however, when the three-year noncompete provision expired, Booz Allen Hamilton began building out its commercial consulting practice, focusing on technology integration and cybersecurity programs.

In 2010, Booz Allen went public again with an initial offering of 14,000,000 shares at $17 per share. In 2012, Booz Allen acquired the defense systems engineering and support division of ARINC Inc. to build on existing engineering capabilities, broaden in technical areas such as C4ISR, and supplement presence in the defense market with additional contracts for the U.S. Navy and Air Force.

In 2014, Booz Allen expanded its health analytics capabilities with Epidemico, an informatics company providing early insights, continuous monitoring and consumer engagement for varied aspects of population health, including disease outbreaks, drug safety, supply chain vulnerabilities.

In 2015, Booz Allen acquired the software services unit of the Charleston, S.C. technology firm SPARC, to grow capabilities in Agile software development.

In 2016, Booz Allen acquired Aquilent, an architect of .gov solutions for the Federal government, bolstering Booz Allen’s capabilities in building citizen-focused digital services.

In 2017, Booz Allen acquired Morphick, extending Booz Allen’s offerings in advanced cyber defense services. Kemples (talk) 13:54, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 13-SEP-2018
Your edit request could not be reviewed because the provided references are not formatted correctly. The system predominantly in use with the Booz Allen Hamilton article is Citation Style 1. The citation system used in the edit request consists of bare URL's. Any requested edit of yours which may be implemented will need to resemble the current system already in use – in this case, CS1 (See WP:CITEVAR). This would not normally be a problem in a request of a smaller size, whereas larger requests would be expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review. In the collapsed section below, I've illustrated the problems with this formatting by drawing examples of how your request is structured now versus how it should be structured for future requests.

Unformatted request: The sun is pretty big. The moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot.

Displays as: The sun is pretty big.[1] The moon is not so big.[2] The sun is also quite hot.[3]

References

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In the example above there are three URL's provided with the claim statements, but these URL's have not been placed using the citation system predominantly used by the Booz Allen Hamilton article, which currently is Citation Style 1. Using this style, the WikiFormatted text of the citations would resemble the items shown below:

CS1 formatted request: The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot. Displays as: The sun is pretty big,[1] but the moon is not so big.[2] The sun is also quite hot.[3]

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^ Sjöblad, Tristan. . Academic Press, 2018, p. 1. ^ Duvalier, Gabrielle. , Scientific American, 51(78):46. ^ Uemura, Shū. . Academic Press, 2018, p. 2. 

In the example above the reference links have been formatted to show as Citation Style #1. This ensures that the author, source name, date, etc., are all included. As I indicated above, since Wikipedia is a volunteer project, larger edit requests such yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.

Kindly rewrite your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example shown in the collapsed section above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience. If you have any questions about this formatting please don't hesitate to ask myself or another editor. Regards,  spintendo   12:13, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * , thank you for the information. I appreciate your help. I have reworked the citations per your guidance. Kemples (talk) 12:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * That's much appreciated. I will review it and implement any changes now. Thank you!   spintendo   15:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , I think I used the wrong coding for the date of the articles. They all say retrieved which I think is not what I was looking for since I retrieved them today. I meant to communicate the date of the article. Would you let me know what the correct code is? Kemples (talk) 17:04, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply to edit request 13-SEP-2018
Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes for information on each request. Additionally, the COI editor needs to disclose whether or not they are being paid for this work. Their disclosures thus far only state that they work for the marketing team. With regards to the dates, I changed them from access dates to publication dates. Thank you!  spintendo   22:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * , thank you for the additional feedback. I will review your notes and rework where needed. Apologies on the flowery language as well; I thought I had removed all of it and clearly missed some. Regarding your question on whether I am being paid, I am an employee of Booz Allen working for the marketing & communications team (as previously expressed) and as such receive a salary. However, Wikipedia is not my "day job." I am interested in our page because it has long been flagged for its lack of NPOV. I also find the page to be a choppy read in places and in need of updated information. If you read through the talk section, you will see comments such as that the page is missing basic corporate information or that the history section is too long, but no one has engaged on these issues for several years. I want to be able to help fix all of these issues, but do so in a way that does not violate the community rules. I recognize I have a conflict of interest, so am really appreciating all of the advice you have been giving me. This page has been a pet peeve of mine for years. Kemples (talk) 00:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Request edit
Proposed additions for History/Organization section I

''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to suggest updated information regarding the company's status as a publicly traded company. My proposed revision is below in bold.''

In 1970, Booz Allen first went public with an initial public offering of 500,000 shares at $24 per share. However, in 1976 public trading ceased in the largest-ever leveraged buyout involving a consulting firm where Booz Allen's partners bought back the stock, through one of the first management buyouts (MBO), and returned the firm to private ownership with a new governance structure. In 2007 managing director Mark Gerencser said that being privately held allowed the firm to consider long-range investments that companies beholden to shareholders might not be able to make. 'In 2010, Booz Allen went public again with an initial public'' offering of 14,000,000 shares at $17 per share. ''' Kemples (talk) 20:57, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed additions for History/Organization section II

''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to suggest updated information regarding the company's recent acquisitions. My proposed addition is below in bold.''

'''In 2012, Booz Allen purchased the Defense Systems Engineering & Support division of ARINC, adding approximately 1,000 new employees to its roster. This was Booz Allen's first acquisition in nearly a decade. Kemples (talk) 22:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

''DISREGARD/DUPLICATE REQUEST: Proposed additions for History/Organization section III
 * I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to suggest updated information regarding the company's status as a publicly traded company. My proposed revision is below in bold.


 * In 1970, Booz Allen first went public with an initial offering of 500,000 shares at $24 per share. However, in 1976 public trading ceased in the largest-ever leveraged buyout involving a consulting firm where Booz Allen's partners bought back the stock, through one of the first management buyouts (MBO), and returned the firm to private ownership with a new governance structure. In 2007 managing director Mark Gerencser said that being privately held allowed the firm to consider long-range investments that companies beholden to shareholders might not be able to make. '''In 2010, Booz Allen went public again with an initial offering of 14,000,000 shares at $17 per share.

''' Kemples (talk) 22:20, 14 September 2018 (UTC) ''

Reply 15-SEP-2018

 * 1) The first claim states that BA "went public again" with an initial offering, but stated this way, the sentence is claiming that the offering was both secondary ("Went public again ") and primary (" initial offering"). As this was the second time the company went public, it would not count as an "initial" offering. This should be clarified in the prose.
 * Excellent catch. The article doesn't use the proper term. The proper term is actually initial public offering or IPO. A company can have more than one IPO. According to "The Road to Creating an IPO" by Ryan Fuhrmann:
 * An IPO usually refers to selling shares to the public for the first time. But a company can be taken private (such as by a private equity firm) and then be taken public again, which is also an IPO. This has occurred with Burger King several times.


 * Please let me know if this satisfies your concerns. If so, I have made adjustments to my proposed content above. You will see in bold italic where I added "public" to "initial offering" in two places. Thanks for reviewing Kemples (talk) 12:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)


 * 1) The claims and the quote in the 2nd request originate from the company and are not identified in the source as having been verified by the source (i.e., "The deal was announced in October, and closed on Nov. 30, 2012. It adds around 1,000 employees from various locations worldwide, many of which align with Booz Allen offices, the company said." ) Likewise, the quote about the company is merely a source speaking about itself (and discussing future, hoped-for events or circumstances). These claims should come from independent sources who are not reporting on it as if it were part of a press release.
 * Thank you for clarifying what is needed for the source. I found a much better article that verifies both the closing of the deal and approximate number of employees. Kemples (talk) 12:59, 15 September 2018 (UTC)


 * 1) The 3rd request repeats the first request.   spintendo   11:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed History section content update
''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to propose an edit to the history section, both improving the quality and accuracy of the information as well as using a third-party source rather than the company's own website.''

Proposed deletion:

The firm has gone through several name changes in its over 100 years of existence. These include: Edwin G. Booz, Business Engineering Service; Edwin G. Booz Surveys; Edwin G. Booz and Fry Surveys; Booz, Fry, Allen & Hamilton; Booz, Allen & Hamilton; and finally Booz Allen Hamilton.[7]

Proposed replacement:

The firm has gone through several name changes in its over 100 years of existence. These include:
 * 1914: The Business Research Service
 * 1916: The Business Research and Development Co.
 * 1919: Edwin G. Booz, Business Engineering Service
 * 1921: Edwin G. Booz Service, Business Surveys
 * 1924: Edwin G. Booz Surveys
 * 1935: Edwin G. Booz and Fry Surveys
 * 1936: Booz, Fry, Allen, and Hamilton
 * 1943: Booz, Allen & Hamilton

Thanks for considering this content update. Kemples (talk) 13:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 15-SEP-2018

 * 1) These name changes are somewhat distracting. Lists are nice, but prose is preferred. Is there not a way that these names could be summarized, perhaps describing how BRS was used as the name for the first 5 years whereupon the Booz name was applied thereafter? Or the names could be left out entirely. An article need not be a complete exposition of all possible details—it works better as a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject. (See WP:NOTEVERYTHING.)
 * 2) Please be aware that new requests are placed at the bottom of the page, and that the practice of refactoring past posts is frowned upon. Please keep the discussion moving downwards on the talk page. Thank you!   spintendo   13:42, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed additions for History/Organization section I
''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to correct a statement about Booz Allen's IPO in the 1970s, as well as suggest updated information regarding the company's current status as a publicly traded company. The proper term is actually initial public offering or IPO. A company can have more than one IPO. According to "The Road to Creating an IPO" by Ryan Fuhrmann:


 * An IPO usually refers to selling shares to the public for the first time. But a company can be taken private (such as by a private equity firm) and then be taken public again, which is also an IPO. This has occurred with Burger King several times.''

Proposed revision

In 1970, Booz Allen first went public with an initial public offering of 500,000 shares at $24 per share. However, in 1976 public trading ceased in the largest-ever leveraged buyout involving a consulting firm where Booz Allen's partners bought back the stock, through one of the first management buyouts (MBO), and returned the firm to private ownership with a new governance structure. In 2007 managing director Mark Gerencser said that being privately held allowed the firm to consider long-range investments that companies beholden to shareholders might not be able to make. '''In 2010, Booz Allen went public again with an initial public offering of 14,000,000 shares at $17 per share. '''

Thanks for considering my request. Kemples (talk) 14:02, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 15-SEP-2018

 * 1) The reference from the original version cannot be carried over to the rewritten version because it is a deadlink. The info referenced by this dead link has been omitted.
 * 2) The items in this request which were referenced were added.   spintendo   16:37, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed History section content update II
''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to propose a deletion from the History/Beginnings section.''

Proposed deletion: The firm has gone through several name changes in its over 100 years of existence. These include: Edwin G. Booz, Business Engineering Service; Edwin G. Booz Surveys; Edwin G. Booz and Fry Surveys; Booz, Fry, Allen & Hamilton; Booz, Allen & Hamilton; and finally Booz Allen Hamilton.[7]

Justification These name changes are somewhat distracting. Lists are nice, but prose is preferred. An article need not be a complete exposition of all possible details—it works better as a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject. (See WP:NOTEVERYTHING.)

Thanks for considering this suggested revision. Kemples (talk) 14:06, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 15-SEP-2018
 spintendo   16:37, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed History section content update III
''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to suggest updated information regarding the company's recent acquisitions. My proposed addition is below in bold.''

'''In 2012, Booz Allen purchased the Defense Systems Engineering & Support division of ARINC, adding approximately 1,000 new employees to its roster. This was Booz Allen's first acquisition in nearly a decade.

Thank you for considering this revision. Kemples (talk) 14:09, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 15-SEP-2018
 spintendo   16:37, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Request edit
Proposed additions for History/Beginnings section

''I work for Booz Allen's Marketing & Communications team. I would like to include updated information about recent Booz Allen acquisitions. I suggest inserting the addition after the following sentence: In 2012, Booz Allen purchased the Defense Systems Engineering & Support division of ARINC, adding approximately 1,000 new employees to its roster.[9]''

Proposed Addition In 2014, Booz Allen acquired Epidemico, a population health analytics company that performs continuous monitoring to track potential disease outbreaks and safety issues. In 2015, Booz Allen acquired the agile software development division of the Charleston, S.C. technology firm SPARC. In 2016, Booz Allen acquired Aquilent, an agile, DevOps, and cloud services provider. In 2017, Booz Allen acquired Morphick, a cybersecurity firm specializing in managed security and adaptive threat detection.

 Thank you for considering this content updates. Kemples (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 16-SEP-2018

 * The claims referenced by the Post and the Post Courier were added. The others are industry related and their reports are questionably not impartial.
 * I would ask that in the future you combine these separate requests under one template. Please do not activate several in one instance, it merely clutters the talk page.   spintendo   15:22, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Duplicated content within History section
''I work for Booz Allen Hamilton's marketing and communications team. I would like to address past concerns that the history section is too long. There is a section within History called New South Wales which is already covered in depth on the State Rail Authority page. Booz Allen has delivered millions of reports to clients over its 100+ year history, so this does not seem like a relevant addition to its history section.''

Proposed deletion:

New South Wales, Australia

In 1988, the newly elected Greiner State Government commissioned a report into the State Rail Authority by Booz Allen Hamilton. The resulting report recommended up to 8,000 job losses, including the withdrawal of staff from 94 country railway stations, withdrawing services on the Nyngan–Bourke line, Queanbeyan–Cooma line and Glen Innes–Wallangarra line, the discontinuation of several country passenger services (the Canberra XPT, the Silver City Comet to Broken Hill, and various diesel locomotive hauled services) and the removal of sleeper trains from services to Brisbane and Melbourne. The report also recommended the removal of all country passenger services and small freight operations, but the government did not consider this to be politically feasible.[12] The SRA was divided into business units—CityRail, responsible for urban railways; CountryLink, responsible for country passenger services; FreightRail, responsible for freight services; and Rail Estate, responsible for rail property.

Thank you for considering this request. Kemples (talk) 18:54, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 16-SEP-2018

 * This paragraph was omitted because it was not referenced to an actual article in the newspaper indicated.  spintendo   15:22, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Addressing past concern: "Missing basic company information."
''I work for Booz Allen Hamilton's marketing communications team. I want to respond to a past concern about the article lacking basic company information:


 * Some basic information seems to be missing for this organization. For example, what does BAH do? My impression was that they were a government consulting (outsourcing?) firm, but has that changed since the strategy arm was divested and acquired by PwC? Is there a non-public sector services group? Is it true that the company has moved beyond computer/IT services and into civil engineering for the Army and Navy? Did BAH really reduce international staff and is now focused primarily on the USA as its main client? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:90CC:4700:7820:ACE5:82CC:9B9F (talk) 20:58, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

''I would like to recommend some additional information to clarify what Booz Allen does and which markets it serves. Hopefully this will address those concerns. Proposed addition in italic:''

Booz Allen Hamilton Inc. (informally Booz Allen) is an American management and information technology consulting firm, headquartered in McLean, Virginia, in Greater Washington, D.C., with 80 other offices around the globe. ''Its core business is to provide consulting, cyber, analytics, digital, and engineering services to public and private sector organizations and not-for-profits. ''

Thank you for considering this request. Kemples (talk) 19:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 16-SEP-2018
 spintendo   20:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Request edit
Request review of Political Contributions section due to lack of NPOV

''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I believe the last sentence of this section does not express a NPOV. It does not present a factual statement but rather an opinion. I recommend the following deletion:''

Proposed deletion Sirota concluded that "many of the politicians now publicly defending the surveillance state and slamming whistleblowers like Snowden have taken huge sums of money from these two firms", referring to Booz Allen and Carlyle, and that the political parties are "bankrolled by these firms".

Alternatively, the following could be added to create a more balanced viewpoint:

Proposed addition However, Booz Allen's political contributions are significantly less than some of the other large government contractors. From 2005 to 2016, it spent $80,000 on lobbying and none on political contributions, as compared with lobbying and political contribution expenditures of $140 million by Lockheed Martin, $150 million by Boeing, and $96 million by General Dynamics over the same period.

Thank you for considering this suggestion. Kemples (talk) 18:24, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 16-SEP-2018

 * The Salon piece makes a conclusion based on information they received through their reporting on the story. That conclusion is clearly attributed to the writer of the article and based on data also published by the Post. Their conclusion is that the same politicians who defend contractors receive donations from them. The fact that these political donations were made is not a point of view.
 * The proposed text doesn't go the extra step that the Salon piece's text does and offer any conclusions, rather, it points to donations made by other companies and then asks the reader to make some sort of conclusion over the amounts of those donations. While this would seem to be acceptable on its face, I don't see how it works as a compliment to the above text. Also the Allgov source is a website run by one person which raises questions over its reliability, questions which at this point I don't have the answer's to. A third point would be the difference over political contributions versus lobbying, and whether any meaningful differences exists between the two (or as much as the proposed text seems to suggest there are).  spintendo   20:40, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Request edit
Proposed additions for History/Beginnings section

''I work for Booz Allen's Marketing & Communications team. I would like to include updated information about recent Booz Allen acquisitions. I suggest inserting the addition after the following sentence:
 * In 2015, Booz Allen acquired the software development division of the Charleston, S.C. technology firm SPARC.[14][15]

Proposed Addition:

In 2016, Booz Allen acquired Aquilent, an agile software development and cloud services provider.

Proposed additions for History/IRS section

''I work for Booz Allen's Marketing & Communications team. The following sentence is not properly cited:
 * (Reports from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) have pointed to mixed results, including poor management of the IRS's IT portfolio and contractors.)[19]

It references a GAO Study that is specific to data collection for the IRS whistleblower program, which does not appear to be directly related to the overall 1998 IRS restructuring.

Proposed Deletion:

(Reports from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) have pointed to mixed results, including poor management of the IRS's IT portfolio and contractors.)'''[19]

Proposed Amendment:

A March 1, 2010 report from the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration found that the Internal Revenue Service Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998 was substantially implemented but challenges remain.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemples (talk • contribs) 07:35, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 17-SEP-2018
Future requests which are unsigned by the COI editor will be summarily declined by this reviewer. Regards,  spintendo   08:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) ✅ The acquisition of Aquilent (aka eGov Holdings) was added.
 * 2) ✅ The secondary claim regarding the IRS was omitted because (a) the link provided did not link directly to the document and (b) the document's page number was not included. The links to references need to be clearly made so that readers may easily locate and verify their claims. Forcing the reader to sift through pages upon pages of documents to locate the verifying information is not the definition of easily.
 * 3) ❌ The proposed amendment to the aforementioned IRS paragraph was not implemented for the same reason, that the specific location within the provided reference was not indicated either by mentioning the note number near where the info resides nor by using the quote parameter of the template.


 * Thank you for implementing and apologies for forgetting to sign. Next time I will sign first so I don't forget! Kemples (talk) 13:03, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed new section
''I work for Booz Allen's Marketing & Communications team. I would like to propose either a new subsection within History or a new standalone section immediately following history called Research and Publications. If it's better as a subsection within History, I recommend having it added after IPO since some of the research predates the 1998 IRS story.''

Proposed Section:

Research and Publications

Booz Allen has been credited with developing several business concepts. In 1957, Sam Johnson, great grandson of S.C. Johnson & Son founder, and Booz Allen’s Conrad Jones published “How to Organize for New Products,” which helped shape modern theories on product life-cycle management. In 1958, the U.S. Navy Special Projects Office, Lockheed, Booz, Allen  &  Hamilton, collaborated to develop the Program Evaluation and Review Technique (PERT), a statistical tool used in project management to analyze and represent the tasks involved in completing a given project. In 1982, Booz Allen's Keith Oliver coined the term "supply chain management" first using it in an interview with Arnold Kransdorff of the Financial Times on 4 June 1982.

Thank you for considering these recommendations. Kemples (talk) 22:00, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply 18-SEP-2018

 * 1) ✅ The claims regarding "How to Organize" on product life cycle management were added.
 * 2) ❌ The claims regarding PERT could not be added because the one reference provided did not mention Booz's involvement while a second source does not elaborate upon where it comes from.
 * 3) ❌ The claim regarding supply chain management could not be added because the URL is non-functional.
 * Regards,  spintendo   15:17, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed additions to Research and Publications section
''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to propose updates to the Research and Publications section:''

Proposed additions

In 1958, Gordon Pehrson, deputy director of U.S. Navy Special Projects Office, and Bill Pocock of Booz Allen Hamilton developed the Program Evaluation and Review Technique (PERT). In 1982, Booz Allen's Keith Oliver coined the term "supply chain management".

In 2013, Booz Allen's Mark Herman, Stephanie Rivera, Steven Mills, and Michael Kim published the Field Guide to Data Science. A second edition was published in 2015. In 2017, Booz Allen's Josh Sullivan and Angela Zutavern published The Mathematical Corporation.

— — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemples (talk • contribs) 15:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed corrections to History section
''I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I would like to propose a correction to the History/Beginnings section:''

CHANGE 1

Current text ...becoming a partnership called Booz, Fry, Allen & Hamilton in 1936, before Fry's departure in 1942 left it with the current name of Booz, Allen and Hamilton.

The issue with this text is that Booz Allen went through two name changes after Booz, Allen and Hamilton. The current legal name is actually Booz Allen Hamilton.

Proposed revision ...becoming a partnership called Booz, Fry, Allen & Hamilton in 1936. Fry's name was removed with his departure in 1942, and the name eventually evolved to its current name of Booz Allen Hamilton'''.

CHANGE 2

Current text ...helping organize the National Football League in the 1960s.

The issue with this text is that Booz Allen did not organize the NFL. They were hired to assist with the merger of the National and American Football Leagues, resulting in the creation of the first Super Bowl in the 1960s.

Proposed revision ...helping merge the National and American Football Leagues, leading to the first Super Bowl in 1967.

Kemples (talk) 15:54, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Reply 24-JAN-2019
Regards,  Spintendo   18:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) ✅ The "and" has been dropped.
 * 2) ❌ As of the writing of this review reply, the term National Football League appears nowhere in the article.
 * Thank you for your help and sorry about the second edit. I must have been looking at an older version. Kemples (talk) 19:04, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Page overhaul
I went ahead and did a bit of an overhaul of the page, as the sections didn't quite fit. I expanded the History section, which was lacking any information between 1940s and 1998, removed sections that were only one line long and added them into the main body of text and created a separate Controversies and Leaks section, since that made up such a large chunk of the article. I also added some more updated info about the current involvement in Saudi Arabia.

Since I'm very new at editing and this is something of a sensitive topic I would love to get feedback on the changes. - PraiseVivec (talk) 17:35, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I work for Booz Allen's marketing and communications team. I really like what you did with the history section. I think the organization you added makes the story much easier to follow. Kemples (talk) 14:15, 25 January 2019 (UTC)