Talk:Born Pink World Tour/Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2022
I believe Blackpink’s seoul date of October 15th and 16th in KSPO Dome, Seoul had a 40,000 attendance. It was already confirmed by them that it was 40,000 all together. Both dates were sold out with a 5,000 increase in capacity on both. KSPO Dome has a capacity of 15k so it makes sense that if each date was sold out with a 5k capacity increase on both that It would be a total attendance of 40,000. Please review this! 2601:C2:200:6080:8518:4F7:348B:B9BF (talk) 11:30, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2022
Hello, This is to request you an edit on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_Pink_World_Tour page which has misleading information. BLACKPINK - BORN PINK WORLD TOUR's first two shows on 15th and 16th October 2022 at KSPO Dome drew 20,000 (20k) audiences each. All two shows had 40,000 (40k) attendance altogether. Refer to this link for confirmation: https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/ranking/article/009/0005030927 / (TRANS) https://twitter.com/BLACKPINK_BBU/status/1581835923549220864 The current Wikipedia page shows that all two shows held on the above dates had only 20,000 audiences. Please edit the details on the page to prevent the public from leading to misinformation.

Thank you. 10.18.2022 04.08dm (talk) 16:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌, the listed source on the article clearly states 10k each. 20k for each show is simply impossible given that the capacity for BP's seating plan (end stage) at the venue was only 10-12k. (Btw, Twitter is far from a reliable source.) ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  16:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * While it is correct what you said, the twitter was merely a translation, not a source. 165.124.84.117 (talk) 01:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2023
Change "Taiwan" to "China" 2601:18F:480:4DF0:C189:D434:691F:7D6B (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pov-pushing. Lemonaka (talk) 00:45, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Cancelled Date
It appears the NZ concert has been cancelled.

https://twitter.com/frontiertouring/status/1620531283997884418?s=20 Bangpink (talk) 00:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2023
The Born Pink Tour in Auckland has been cancelled, check the promoter's website 2001:1C04:4F09:5700:153E:75DF:B36D:A001 (talk) 12:51, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Lightoil (talk) 06:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2023
I would like to add the attendance numbers for Born Pinks La tour dates. According to LA Excites the Banc Of California Stadium sold out both nights. 22,000/22,000 both nights. or 44,000/44,000. https://laexcites.com/2022/11/22/review-blackpink-banc-of-ca-stadium-saturday/#:~:text=A%20capacity%20crowd%20of%2022%2C000,duplicated%20only%20by%20Blackpink's%20friendly Rodeoposteo (talk) 17:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Actualcpscm (talk) 18:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

City when referring to Philippine Arena location
I have reverted twice changes from Bocaue to Bulacan in referring to which "city" Philippine Arena is at. Bulacan is a province, of which Bocaue is one of its municipalities. Bocaue is not a "city", but in this context, "City" refers to "settlement" and not whether or not local authorities label it as such; even if it is not a "city", using "Bulacan" as a "city" is flat out wrong because it is not a city either. It's akin to putting to putting "Victoria" in place of "Melbourne", or "Texas" instead of "Dallas". Howard the Duck (talk) 11:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2023
Change paradise, nv to Las Vegas, NV. Nobody calls it paradise and it also says Las Vegas on there poster 68.96.201.59 (talk) 13:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Location is based on whatever is indicated on Allegiant Stadium's article. A quick Wikipedia searching also shows that Allegiant Stadium is also listed on Paradise, Nevada article and mentioned "in Paradise" in Las Vegas article. Also noting that Las Vegas is mentioned in the footnote. Permalink are intentionally used here to indicate the links as of this comment are the latest revision. Hence any changes thereafter on the respective articles can be considered as point pushing.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2023
i would like to add coachella performance at blackpink work tour S27S 234s (talk) 11:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
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Tour Location Dates
The tour locations for Europe and Malaysia are not officially confirmed- I'm not sure who put them there, as I couldn't find them anywhere after scouring the internet for hours. The source for the Malaysia tour location is inaccurate- the article provides no sources or proof that the Malaysia part of the tour is going to occur there. Shouldn't they be removed? I tried to remove them but IDK how the formatting works. 70.123.54.223 (talk) 22:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The person who wrote 90,000 in the Philippines need to write the amount of people on the second day like how can there be 90,000 altogether that’s not possible you need to write bot amounts not just one . And also other countries too you need to write out both amount of people who came on both days . Because it’s wrong they way there writing it . 109.79.81.126 (talk) 00:05, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, someone made a grave error in allowing the upcoming tour date in Las Vegas, Nevada at Allegiant Stadium calling it Paradise Las Vegas. Both major casino/hotels in Las Vegas called Luxor and Mandalay Bay are across Allegiant Stadium and they're both officially listed as being located in Las Vegas NV, not Paradise. . Don't overcomplicate/overthink matters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newb787 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * While it is hardly a "grave error", Allegiant Stadium's official mailing address is indeed Las Vegas, Nevada, however the stadium itself is in Paradise, which is an unincorporated town (not a city) and is a census designated place, but receives US postal mail via the Las Vegas main post office, hence the use of Las Vegas as the mailing address. Most of the Las Vegas strip, the Las Vegas Airport and UNLV are all in Paradise, the city of Las Vegas is actually mostly downtown Vegas, not the Strip. Luxor and Mandalay Bay are in Paradise proper, as well, however Las Vegas is used for marketing purposes. Stating the location of the stadium as Paradise, NV is technically correct. Rrjam10 (talk) 21:40, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Born Pink Tour as the highest-grossing tour by a girl group
According to BBC News, the Spice Girls’ Spiceworld Tour in 1998 remains the highest-grossing girl group tour in history with an estimated attendance of 2.1 million. I believe, Born Pink World Tour will surpass it anytime soon. But let us not spread misinformation to readers and do a simple math.

The American leg for Spiceworld Tour in 1998 grossed more than $60 million (according to Rolling Stone). (Actually, it’s $62.8 million based on the data provided by Billboard magazine in 2008.) And it was attended by 718,033 people.

There are 56 missing and unreported dates. So, the tour’s official gross remains unknown. Thus, some people estimate that the Spiceworld Tour grossed $150–180 million, based on available data from Billboard and other reliable sources. That explains why BBC News proclaims it as the highest-grossing tour by a girl group in history.

The Born Pink Tour has yet to surpass Spice Girls’ record. However, some users here have already grabbed that title from Spiceworld Tour 1998, just because they have “reliable” sources.

In light to that, I would like to highlight that The Straits Times and The Korea Times have based their article from Touring Data on Twitter. Pages like Touring Data provide “concert data” to their readers. However, they have never disclosed its original source. And although Touring Data has a “website” (blogsite, actually) through Wordpress, it’s still unknown if they’re releasing official numbers. Because throughout music history, only Pollstar and Billboard release the official gross of concerts.

I believe, we should wait for Billboard or Pollstar to announce Born Pink Tour’s official numbers before we declare it as the highest-grossing girl group tour in this article. Kenquenito (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 15 May 2023
82.129.23.28 (talk) 11:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Setlist in singapore: 1)how you like that 2)pretty savage 3)whistle (shortened) 4)dont know what to do 5)lovesick girls

6)kill this love 7)crazy over you 8)stay 9)tally 10)pink venom (extended)

11)flower (jisoo) 12)you & me (jennie) 13)hard to love (shortened, rosé) 14)on the ground (shortened, rosé) 15)lalisa + money (lisa)

16)shut down 17)typa girl 18)ddu-du ddu-du 19)forever young

Encore: 20)boombayah 21)as if its your last
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Protected edit request on 21 May 2023
i would like to edit this page and to help the development of this page i would like to add the attendance of Thailand so 66,211 and the revenue $12,393,129 92.93.178.63 (talk) 08:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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Born Pink 100 Million Grossed
I found a reliable source that claims Born Pink as the highest-grossing girl group tour of all-time with 100 million in sales and don’t mention Touring Data anywhere, Zoom TV Entertainment is a reliable source, many don’t know this but it is considered by the general public so WP trusts it as a third-party, in the article it doesn’t say anywhere that they got the information from Touring Data or other unreliable sources so maybe we can use it https://www.zoomtventertainment.com/korean/rs-820-crore-blackpinks-world-tour-revenue-breaks-massive-world-record-with-29-dates-still-remaining-korean-entertainment-kpop-news-article-100390502/amp Multimilkp (talk) 05:20, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2023
want to change attendance and revenue to be more specific and correct based on the source of the touringdata twitter account Tria Putraa (talk) 05:52, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Touring data Twitter account is not a reliable source. Lightoil (talk) 07:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2023
Hi I wanted to tell you the numbers for the born pink tour for attendance and grossing have been revealed by the billboard box office, and are available on https://touringdata.WordPress.com

North America	Box Office October 25-26, 2022 Blackpink American Airlines Center Dallas, United States	$6,181,742 23,528 (100%) 2 shows

October 29-30, 2022 Blackpink Toyota Center Houston, United States	$6,107,595 23,480 (100%) 2 shows

November 2-3, 2022 Blackpink State Farm Arena Atlanta, United States	$6,012,820 23,434 (100%) 2 shows

November 6-7, 2022 Blackpink FirstOntario Centre Hamilton, Canada	$5,812,179 23,284 (100%) 2 shows

November 10-11, 2022 Blackpink United Center Chicago, United States	$6,745,781 25,582 (100%) 2 shows

November 14-15, 2022 Blackpink Prudential Center Newark, United States	$6,595,517 23,928 (100%) 2 shows

November 19-20, 2022 Blackpink Banc of California Stadium Los Angeles, United States	$13,824,463 46,870 (100%) 2 shows

Europe	Box Office November 30-Dec. 1, 2022 Blackpink O2 Arena London, England	$5,755,155 35,440 (100%) 2 shows

December 5, 2022 Blackpink Palau Sant Jordi Barcelona, Spain	$2,398,563 17,208 (100%) 1 show

December 8, 2022 Blackpink Lanxess Arena Cologne, Germany	$2,705,360 15,899 (100%) 1 show

December 11-12, 2022 Blackpink Accor Arena Paris, France	$4,773,771 30,731 (100%) 2 shows

December 15, 2022 Blackpink Royal Arena Copenhagen, Denmark	$2,270,370 15,525 (100%) 1 show

December 19-20, 2022 Blackpink Mercedes-Benz Arena Berlin, Germany	$4,707,247 26,638 (100%) 2 shows

December 22, 2022 Blackpink Ziggo Dome Amsterdam, Netherlands	$2,268,488 14,641 (100%) 1 show

Asia	Box Office October 15-16, 2022 Blackpink KSPO Dome Seoul, South Korea	$2,321,471 20,060 (100%) 2 shows

January 7-8, 2023 Blackpink Suphachalasai Stadium Bangkok, Thailand	$12,393,129 66,211 (100%) 2 shows

January 13-15, 2023 Blackpink AsiaWorld–Arena Hong Kong, Hong Kong	$8,270,805 32,312 (100%) 3 shows

January 20, 2023 Blackpink BLVD International Site Riyadh, Saudi Arabia	$4,152,317 26,578 (100%) 1 show

January 28, 2023 Blackpink Etihad Park Abu Dhabi, Arab Emirates	$3,121,659 22,209 (100%) 1 show

March 4, 2023 Blackpink Bukit Jalil Stadium Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	$9,130,608 62,642 (100%) 1 show

March 11-12, 2023 Blackpink Gelora Bung Karno Stadium Jakarta, Indonesia	$17,199,546 113,740 (100%) 2 shows

April 8-9, 2023 Blackpink Tokyo Dome Tokyo, Japan	$11,105,817 100,809 (100%) 2 shows

Latin America	Box Office April 26-27, 2023 Blackpink Foro Sol Mexico City, Mexico	$19,978,283 113,498 (100%) 2 shows

I wanted to edit the page in order to insert the official numbers of the tour 2A04:CEC0:1939:FC10:49EC:3F97:C833:D1D9 (talk) 16:19, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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Why is TouringData not considered a reliable source in this article?
The use of TouringData as a reliable source on Wikipedia varies across articles. This discussion aims to explore why TouringData is considered credible in some cases, such as the World's Hottest Tour, Music of the Spheres World Tour, +–=÷× Tour and Happier Than Ever, The World Tour, while being labeled unreliable in others, like the article in question.

Do you consider articles from websites that are not music-related, calculate attendance by multiplying the capacity of the concert venue obtained from Wikipedia by the number of concerts, as reliable sources, while not considering TouringData as reliable, even though other editors do? KamilSparky (talk) 22:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @KamilSparky You should considering asking this question in larger context (basically not tied down to any articles and not why WP:OTHER exists) instead at WT:RSP (the main discussion thread for asking whether this or that source is considered as reliable) on whether TouringData as a source is considered as reliable for use in any form of articles on English Wikipedia despite it clearly falling WP:BLOGS in which per WP:RSP (Ctrl+F to search), Wordpress.com (which TD website URL evidently contains such) is considered as unreliable source. This would likely give you explicit answer if you can use TD wherever you like to regardless of whatever is stated at WP:RSP and WP:BLOGS.
 * If you only want to ask why it isn't allowed here, you can read this above on why, while there isn't any replies in that thread however simultaneously there is an edit war ongoing at that point of time (just check the article's revision history), and also per partial (full reply in the link) quote "I will agree ... that media using Touring Data as their source cannot be regarded as reliable - TD is a WordPress site that aggregates reports from other sources, including artist representatives. It may or may not be correct, but it's effectively original research. [They] would do well to remember this when the protection expires, and if they [referring to whoever is edit warring at that point of time] continue using those sources further action may be taken" by admin (Black Kite) here.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  05:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Setlist changes during the Encore tour
During the shows starting from Foro Sol, Mexico, Blackpink performed Stay (Remix) instead of Playing With Fire. They also switched Stay (Remix) from The encore segment to Ddu du Ddu du(Remix). 2001:999:271:9454:1B0C:8655:4B4D:8459 (talk) 07:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2023
Add a note to the 2nd Melbourne show on June 11th, 2023 - Jennie was unable to complete the show due to illness and left the stage during the performance of 'Lovesick Girls.'

Source: https://www.nme.com/en_au/news/music/blackpink-jennie-leaves-melbourne-concert-mid-way-yg-statement-3454591#:~:text=Later%20that%20night%2C%20YG%20Entertainment,the%20performance%20until%20the%20end.

Add a second note to the 2nd Melbourne show on June 11th, 2023 - Due to Jennie being unable to finish the show, 'You and Me' was not performed. Due to the sudden change in setlist, Rosé performed 'Gone'(Shortened) and 'On The Ground' before Jisoo performed 'Flower.' RoséDownUnder (talk) 07:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Source: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/blackpink/2023/rod-laver-arena-melbourne-australia-7ba6eac8.html
 * ✅ for first portion. Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for second portion, please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  13:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2023
Change "Jisoo will not perform on this date due to a positive COVID-19 test." to "Jisoo did not perform on this date due to a positive COVID-19 test." 87.116.162.13 (talk) 03:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  13:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit Request: Updating K-pop Touring Data on Wikipedia
Subject: Edit Request: Updating K-pop Touring Data on Wikipedia

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to request an edit to the K-pop Touring Data section on the Wikipedia page dedicated to K-pop. I have found a verified and reliable source, touringdata.com, that provides comprehensive and up-to-date information on K-pop tours.

Given the rapid growth and evolving nature of the K-pop industry, it is essential to maintain accurate and current data on K-pop tours. I believe that the inclusion of verified data from touringdata.com will greatly enhance the informational value of the K-pop page, enabling readers to stay informed about the most recent touring statistics.

The proposed edit will primarily focus on updating the following sections within the K-pop Touring Data on Wikipedia:

1. "Current and Upcoming Tours": I will add information about the ongoing and upcoming K-pop tours, along with the corresponding dates, venues, and participating artists/groups. This will give readers a comprehensive overview of the active tours in the industry.

2. "Past Tours": I will update the list of past K-pop tours to include any recent tours that have taken place since the last update. This will provide a complete historical record of K-pop touring, reflecting the most recent additions to the industry.

To ensure the accuracy and reliability of the data, I will source the information exclusively from touringdata.com, a well-regarded website specializing in concert and touring data. By utilizing their verified information, we can maintain a high level of credibility and ensure that the edits align with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

I am aware of Wikipedia's commitment to providing accurate and reliable information to its readers. Therefore, I will diligently adhere to the guidelines and citation practices set forth by Wikipedia, including proper attribution and citation formatting.

I kindly request the assistance of experienced Wikipedia editors to review and approve the proposed edits, ensuring that the K-pop Touring Data section remains up-to-date and informative. I am open to any suggestions or feedback from the editors to further improve the accuracy and quality of the information presented.

Thank you for considering my edit request. I look forward to contributing to the K-pop page on Wikipedia and providing valuable updates to the touring data section. Should you require any additional information or have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me.

Sincerely,

[Kpoptouringdata] Kpoptouringdata (talk) 06:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Kpoptouringdata,
 * Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself.
 * I am concerned about requesting large edits and using only one source to verify the changes, especially if the source's reliability can be challenged. Please take a close look at | WP:RELIABILITY, | WP:ORIGINAL and WP:VERIFY. Thank you for your contribution! NotAGenious (talk) 07:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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Add coincidental note that Houston BP tour happened the same time as WS game
Hello. While Born Pink World Tour concert in Houston on October 29, 2022 happened at the same time as the World Series baseball game, which happened during Game 2 of the World Series that evening but at the different stadium Minute Maid Park, can I add an efn note by that date under "Tour dates" section? Like this: Thanks. Let me know if it's okay to add that coincidental note in there, then I will add it there on this article. Source from ABC13 here, use CTRL+F and search 'blackpink'; you'll find the exact word there. -- Allen (talk / ctrb) 02:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Essentially WP:TRIVIA.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2023
Philippine Arena, Bulacan Attendance: 92,720 (100%)Italic text Revenue: $14,174,292 (2 shows)Italic text Carlobuntag (talk) 10:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Twitter is not a reliable source. Lightoil (talk) 12:06, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2023
they performed "Dont know what to do" after Shut Down at their USA ENCORE leg. Please add it to the setlist. 04.08dm (talk) 17:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2023
Please change "During the encore show in Los Angeles, Jennie did not perform "You & Me"." in the Notes under the set lists to "During the encore show in Los Angeles, Jennie performed "Solo" remix version with a dance break following an extended rap. Ruuhaa123 (talk) 13:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:09, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Born Pink Tour’s attendance
According to Blackpink’s official website, the Born Pink Tour comprises only 66 dates. This implies that their performances at Coachella and BST Hyde Park should not be included as part of the tour. And as per a YG Entertainment representative, the tour’s estimated attendance is approximately 1.8 million only. However, IF we include those two festivals, the girls INTERACTED with 2.11 million fans.

It’s no-brainer that YG aims to surpass or break the two million attendance mark set by the Spice Girls’ Spiceworld Tour in 1998. Clearly, they want to either beat or match this record to even promote the “biggest girl group” title for Blackpink, even if it leads to misinformation.

We are aware that YG often employs numerous “media plays” to boost its artists’ popularity, as demonstrated in 2014, when they pitted 2NE1 against Girls’ Generation, the biggest Korean girl group at that time. Kenquenito (talk) 07:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Kenquenito I'm confused, the number of shows is already listed as 66 in the infobox and the same count for tour date's table. Attendance in the lead, infobox, commercial performance, and tour date's table is also 1.8 million. As such, what exactly you wanted to change then?  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  08:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I created this topic to avoid future confusions. Some editors keep changing the numbers as seen on the article’s Edit History. It’s possible that one of them is confused about the tour’s estimated attendance. Kenquenito (talk) 08:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kenquenito Ah I see.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  08:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)