Talk:Born to Run (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)

The flying drone vs. eel argument
It came up over the course of edits that at least one editor thought that the slithery liquid metal part that rejoined Weaver after the drone attack on ZeiraCorp was the eel from the aquarium. I tend to think that the metal came from the drone itself, and this seems to be substantiated via reference:


 * Kevin Carr: "We can’t believe what she says because she lies to everyone. And, let’s not forget the fact that she orchestrated the “hit” on her by letting a piece of herself fly the assault vehicle into her window office (and quite possibly orchestrated the kidnapping of her own child). I’m sure I’m not the only one thinking this was a grand plan to get herself in the future with John Connor… alone."

Unless/until someone citable says something different, I think we need to follow the references alone. Thoughts? - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  14:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Errr, you can TOTALLY see that it's the eel. It even opens it's mouth. I suggest watching the episode again and see for yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.144.253.88 (talk) 20:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh and I suggest thinking about "metal eel" and "will you join us" - the same two things have been shown in another episode in the second season. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.144.253.88 (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I dig what you are saying. We just need contradicting citations that express what you are stating here. If we have them, we can copyedit the reference to something more vague, until we know for sure. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  20:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * On second thought, I've decided to remove the reference altogether; it seems not intrinsic to the understanding of the episode, and hardly worth the back-and-forth that appears to be occurring. The plot needs to be trimmed down, not expanded further. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  21:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I've managed to trim the plot down to under 800 words. Please take note that I've tried to avoid using the female descriptor when discussing either Cameron or Catherine Weaver's characters. As they are machines, they are neither male nor female. It's an intellectual distinction, but an accurate one, nonetheless. I don't think it harms the flow of the writing. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Cast listing
While crafting the article, I used a number of FA-status articles as examples. These include several examples of Lost episodes: Though the Doctor Who examples do provide some insight into alternate (if somewhat clunky) methods of construction: I've avoided the Simpsons episode articles, as they are animation, which doesn't address the casting (live action portrayals) issues. I am thinking something about cast/guest stars needs to be addressed with the infobox, but up and changing the infobox would seem to cause fairly large ripples throughout the wiki. Some thoughts and advice might be helpful. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  16:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Beginning of the End (Lost)
 * Greatest Hits (Lost)
 * The Shape of Things to Come (Lost)
 * Through the Looking Glass (Lost)
 * Doomsday (Doctor Who)
 * The Stolen Earth


 * Ah, yes, this is what I asked on your talk page. Didn't see you'd answered it already. I think while it looks efficient on the Lost articles it is technically kind of incorrect - the only real use of it on Lost is that with its massive cast it is important to specify who is IN the episode as opposed to who is simply credited (40 odd people?). Adding a "cast" field to the infobox would not necessarily intrude upon other articles as "| cast =" would not be in their boxes. The problem is, that would cause widespread ugliness over the Wiki. Perhaps we could add in some of our own (hard code) fields, which allow for something closer to the Doctor Who example? Just an idea.~ZytheTalk to me! 16:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For reference, "Pilot (Veronica Mars)" (high-GA) and "Premiere (The O.C.)" (FA) use the system we currently have in place. If it seems confusing on that one it's because (it would appear) Rachel Bilson seems to have started as a guest star then moved to cast.~ZytheTalk to me! 16:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Speak to me of this strange "hard code",a nd how it would work for us, strange editor. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

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