Talk:Bosnia (early medieval)

838 AD ruler
The article's lead has two sentences about the same information not mentioned in the other parts of the text;


 * ...in the Early Middle Ages to early High Middle Ages was territorially and politically defined entity, governed at first by knez and then by a ruler with the ban title, from at least 838 AD.


 * The earliest description sets Bosnia as an independent entity in 838 AD, with a knez Ratimir as the country's ruler.

Mrgić-Radojčić (2002) doesn't say anything about it on page 32 and near pages. What's more strange, it is presented as factual information while there was no 838 AD Bosnian ruler Bladin or Ratimir attested in any historical sources. Vego and Hadžijahić are referring to semi-mythological Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja (also known as Letopis Zagorske Sklavinije in Hadžijahić's source) from late 13th century. They partly identify Transmontana from the maps with Bosnia and hence fictional rulers of fictional land which later became Transmontana became "Bosnian" inventing a fictional chronological order in 9th and 10th century according to which Ratimir ruled since around the beginning of 830s until 838 AD. Nothing of this can be confirmed in other historical sources, actually is contradicting them and has no historical value. Hadžijahić also extensively argues and concludes that the Croats since the 7th century settled the same Bosnia and that it was part of Croatia, never Bosnians were Serbs nor Bosnia was part of Serbia neither towns of Katera and Desnik were in Bosnia but Serbia because, according to him, Greek word "toward" is wrongly translated "in" and so on.

Miki Filigranski (talk) 06:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)