Talk:Bossa nova/Archives/2019

Elvis chartbusters etc
I'm moving this content here for discussion: Two exceptions surfaced in the early 1960's. The first was a song titled Bossa Nova Baby written by the American legendary team of Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller. The song was recorded by Tippy and the Clovers (Tiger 201) in 1962. Their rhythm & blues rendition took bossa nova along a new trend, this time in the United States. Their recording did not chart. It was this recording that Elvis Presley took to new heights. Presley sang "Bossa Nova Baby" in his 1963 film Fun in Acapulco. On the rhythm & blues chart, the song peaked at #20. It became a million-seller and is one of only two bossa nova records to ever make the charts. His movie performance of the song had particular charm, natural flair and showed his natural ability to fulfill the criteria of yet another new fusion trend. It had a 10-week stay on Billboard's Hot 100 chart, reaching #8. It seems to me this has strayed OT in the Bossa nova and samba subsection. Imo, it could be reweighted in a different subsection, after appropriate clean-up, per WP:PEA/WP:WORLDVIEW, etc. 81.157.0.217 (talk) 11:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I just listened to Bossa Nova Baby. It's not bossa nova at all, in the slightest, just one of the typical feels of up-tempo Elvis songs throughout his career, whatever you call that. Why it would be called a "bossa nova record" I don't know. People are fooled by the title, perhaps. If the lyrics and title didn't mention bossa nova, no-one would dream of calling it that. 110.20.157.59 (talk) 04:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Bossa Nova
The listing for the music style Bossa Nova hardly mentions Joao Gilberto. Yet in wiki’s own listing for Joao, he’s listed as the primary inventor of Bossa. The two listings contradict each other.

When Joao Gilberto was featured in the Bossa listing it referred to vocals in Bossa and the derivation of the Bossa singing style.

In Brazilian journalist Ruy Castro’s book, Bossa Nova, it meticulously outlines a) exactly how and when Gilberto created Bossa and b) that the primary inspiration for Bossa’s gentle vocals came from American jazz trumpeter Chet Baker. Ive read that directly from Gilberto many times besides Castro’s book, yet again, it is omitted from the Bossa Nova listing.

If there is one editor for the Bossa Nova entry, perhaps personal beliefs has caused them to have the listing reflect their own personal theory. Danny holloway (talk) 09:20, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * If you have Castro's book, I suggest that it is up to you, as much as anyone else, to add material to the article. There is no "one editor" for this article - anyone can edit it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Anyone listening to the Chet Baker recordings (especially the vocals) can hear a remarkable similarity to the style of Astrud Gilberto! Can someon please explore this possibility or bring to light any research? thanks--Tednor 09:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC) I JUST NOTICED THIS EDITORIAL NOTE FROM 12 YEARS AGO. JOAO GILBERTO CREDITS CHET BAKER AS THE PRIMARY INFLUENCE OF BOSSA NOVA’S VOCALS IN RUY CASTROS BOOK CALLED BOSSA NOVA. Danny holloway (talk) 09:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * So... edit the article yourself.  Don't rely on other people to do it.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:33, 4 January 2019 (UTC)