Talk:Boston Beer Company/Archive 1

Cincinnati Brewery
I didn't see a citation for the following statement: "though today, more than 60% of its beer is produced at the company's Cincinnati brewery". Looked into it and found that Boston Brewery claimed only 35% in 2007. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/03/31/story14.html I'm new to the editing wikipedia thing, but was doing some research on Sam Adams and would like to hear if anyone has any references for the 60% figure. Jjbauer (talk) 19:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Craft Beer???
Who calls this a craft beer.... its owned by Budwiser there is nothing craft beer about corporate brewing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.215.26 (talk) 00:35, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, it's not owned by "Budwiser". Anyway, back to reality... Blue Danube (talk) 07:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Owned by "Budwiser"? You mean Anhueser-Busch? Anyway it dosen't matter because the beer is brewed by the Boston Beer Company. That's the name of the article for Christ sake...--Metalhead94 (talk) 18:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Beers
I believe another beer they make is "Fezziwig Ale" (delicious!) included in the yearly Christmas 12-pack. - Perl guy 03:55, Jun 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, checked around the web. Sounds really good, I'll have to look for it.  Thanks for pointing it out! - Hephaestos|&#167; 22:12, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * This year they have something new -- Holiday Porter. Who wants to update the article?  --Perl guy 23:10, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)


 * There's also a horrid Cranberry Ale JD79 18:33, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

What would be the best way of adding that it tastes really strong (the classic Boston Lager) but really good without violating "NPOV"? 207.69.140.23 13:11, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * If this was ten years ago, I'd say something like "unlike many mass-produces American beers, Sam Adams has a strong, bold taste", but with the large upswing in microbrews, this seems extremely POV. JD79 18:33, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

St. Patricks
Just editing the link so it points in the right direction. Whispering 22:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)disambiguation link repair (You can help!)

26%?
The article claims that certain Adams beers are 26% alcohol. From what I've read, this is an amount of alcohol impossible without distillation. Can someone cite a source for this? If not, I intend to delete all info pertaining to alcohol content in that section.--Hraefen 05:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * This seems to be the claim made on the Boston Beer/Sam Adams webpage, so I'd leave it be. Redneb 23:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I was watching a History Channel show on beer and they said they bred a special kind of yeast that can survive a very high level of alcohol in order to getthe high alcohol level.--Blackmagicfish 09:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

It's really hard, but both Sam Adams and Dogfish Head have brewing beers with incredibly high alcohol contents. The question I'm interested in is the difference between Beer and Barleywine, as the page currently has a barley named as the strongest beer. Isn't barleywine its own beverage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.242.203 (talk) 01:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, true wine is made with fermented grape juice only. "Barley wine" is a term used to describe a beer with an alcohol content more similar to that of wine.--Metalhead94 (talk) 21:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Traitor?
The opening line to this article refers to Sam Adams as a "patriot/traitor (depending on perspective)" I am going to remove the "traitor" reference, it's extremely weird at best. After more than 200 years of American sovereignity it seems odd to take the British colonial perspective when writing about revolutionary war figures. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other founding fathers are not listed as "traitors" in the opening lines of their respective articles. Samuel Adams was a single participant in a popular uprising against British control-- is every soldier who fought in the war for independence also a "traitor"? If someone wants to include a "Torry" take on Sam Adams somewhere else in the article thats fine by me, but it's messed up to call him a traitor in that first line. LearningKnight 15:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Beer Infobox
Where's the brewery infobox? -Acjelen 03:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Link Question
The first link in the external link section requires the reader to be at least 21 years old to veiw the website. I don't know if its good Wikipedia policy to include links that are descriminate based on the age of the reader. I plan on deleting the link unless someone can convince me not to.


 * It's definitely pertinent information, despite the age requirement - it's a link to the company's corporate site. I don't think it should go. deciding39 18:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Spurious Trivia
I removed the following text that was the "trivia" section:
 * The man on the label of Sam Adams is actually Paul Revere and not Sam Adams. The reason given for this is that Sam Adams is said to have been very ugly.

I doubt that this is true, and is probably vandalism. Please do not restore it unless some citation is found. --rogerd 19:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually I have heard a few people say this including a high school history teacher I had. I see no reason why he would have lied about that. Is it impossible for a beer brewing company to be wrong? --Master Cola 06:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * that has been a rumor and if you take the tour at the sam addams brewery in jamica plain, ma they state that the picture is of young sam addams (Mikedlif 16:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC))


 * The claim that Paul Revere is featured on the bottles seems to have crept back into the article, unsourced. Does anyone have a source for Sam Adams being the gent pictured that we could use to put this claim to rest? 24.191.236.42 (talk) 01:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sam Adams a Brewer?
I'll need to dig up a reference, but I remember reading that Samuel Adams was never a brewer, though he was a a grain malster for a time. Vpoko 23:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't find any sources to support that Samuel Adams was, himself, a brewer, though it appears that his father (Old Samuel Adams) was. Samuel was a malster for a time. Sources: http://www.bookrags.com/biography/samuel-adams/ & The Brewmaster's Table: Discovering the Pleasures of Real Beer with Real Food by Garrett Oliver. Removing the claim that he was a brewer from the article. Vpoko 20:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Samuel Adams was indeed a brewer by trade before he began his political career. Here is just one reputable source, the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress: http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=A000045. I suggest the opening paragraph be changed to reflect this. deciding39 18:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe Samuel Adams owned and ran a tavern in Boston.--The Founders Intent 03:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Adams never owned or ran a tavern. The famous description of him as "Sam the Publican" was misinterpreted by some historians as meaning that Adams was an owner or frequenter of taverns; actually "publican" in this context referred to his work as a tax collector. (more) The Adams family owned a malt house and were thus primarily maltsters; the frequent description of him as a "brewer" may be an error that originated in a biography written by his great-grandson, though perhaps the family did so some brewing. I added a couple of sentences & sources to the article to clear this up. —Kevin Myers 00:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Independence?
I don't mean to be a jerk, but Samuel Adams really is an independant brewery? I mean when you look at all the St. Patty's day t.v. advertising you notice that the so-called chefs make a three second statement and have only their illegible signature as their only i.d. I mean when Lowenbrau ran their ads as an "imported beer" they were owned by the Miller brewing company. Lowenbrau was brewed and bottled in the United States. The whole thing was a fake. I would not be suprised if Sam Adams is nothing but a Hollywood created gimmick paid for by Miller or Budwieser.


 * The Boston Beer Company was an independent, privately-held company up until 1995, when they made an IPO and became publicly traded. Neither Miller Brewing nor Anheuser-Busch are known to hold any stock in the company. deciding39 02:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Just Editing
Not going to repeat what it said except that it sounds kinda like something Homer Simpson would say.

History of the Brand: Contract Brewing
I have to take issue with the edit made by 76.202.60.53 on June 27, 2007. What he/she claimed to be "unsupported advertising hyperbole" is in fact just the reality of contract brewing. I don't see any reason to doubt the company's claim, and feel that the sentence as it currently reads uses a weasel word ("claims") to cast doubt on the fact that the Boston Beer Company produces all of their own beer, despite using equipment at other facilities. Thoughts? deciding39 02:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I've altered the text someewhat to remove the weasel word ('claims'). The text now reads 'According to the Company...'. Documentreview (talk) 03:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Jim Koch
I noticed this bio Jim Koch, the Sam Adams founder, has been deleted a couple of times as non notable. I would say otherwise given their success. Is anyone game? Chris 03:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Commercials where Koch claimed to be the great great grandson of Sam Adams?
Does anyone remember the marketing debacle where Jim Koch claimed to be the great great grandson of Samuel Adams? Budweiser(?) attacked him directly in their ads exposing his fraudulent claim. Koch made the mistake of making embarrassing, angry rebuttal ads. This would have been somewhere around 2001-2003

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find references to this online, but I will never forget the ad war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.154.245 (talk) 04:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Lambics
The article currently states that the Cranberry Lambic is not a true lambic. The lambic article says that lambics are only brewed in a specific region, similar to Champagne. Is this the reason for the caveat on the Cranberry Lambic? Seems like we should say so if that's the case. --128.239.146.229 (talk) 05:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

After the sale of Anheuser-Busch to InBev on July 14, 2008, the Boston Beer Company became the (second) largest American owned brewing company.
I removed this unsourced statement, because in a brief research I found cites for Boston Beer Company being both the largest and second largest American owned brewing company, depending on which hairs you wish to split. Google "largest american owned brewer" for the details, but the upshot is that Pabst is a larger brewing company than Boston Beer, and is American owned, but Pabst does not actually own any breweries, all of their products being contract-brewed by Miller.

So...any ideas on how to handle this in the article?

Buck O'Nollege 01:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

About the "pop culture" section
Is it really encyclopedic to refer to Bob Cannon as a "Bald-headed, bearded master-brewer"? And besides that, the entire section seems rather worthless to the article. It either needs some serious changes and references added in, or it could just be deleted. Thoughts?--Metalhead94 (talk) 20:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Section removed. Even though I don't think it did the article any good, I'm not opposed to it being added back in, if someone could make it sound better and add cites.--Metalhead94 (talk) 18:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Just got rid of it again.Dough007 (talk) 02:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)