Talk:Boston College Law School/Archive 1

Inaccurate Acceptance Rate
The page incorrectly states that 7,000 applications are received for 275 places in the first year (equating to about 3.5%). As is currently stands, the acceptance rate for BC Law is about 20%, so something is obviously wrong here. See http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index.php/1/asc/Accept which shows raw data for Law Schools. Based on acceptance rates, BC Law is number 19. So while it is clearly amongst the most selective law schools in the country, the ratio of applications to places cited on the Wiki page is specious. Someone needs to change this or I will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.1.66 (talk) 02:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Best Career Prospects
BC is 5 Harvard is 4 and BU is 6. I've deleted the sentence which stated BC was ranked higher for career prospects than BU and Harvard. http://www.princetonreview.com/schoollist.aspx?type=r&id=684&uidbadge=%07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.140.208 (talk) 21:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

That is old. BC is currently ranked higher than BU for career prospects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.161.12.129 (talk) 15:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The rankings have apparently been changed or updated. As it stands now BU is 6, BC is 7 and Harvard is 8. http://www.princetonreview.com/schoollist.aspx?type=r&id=684 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.27.237 (talk) 23:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Deleting the Wiki-content
Two days ago, someone deleted at least 75% of this article without justification. Please begin a discussion on this page before attempting to delete the entire page. Usually, whatever you wish to be fixed can be achieved through editing rather than deleting the entire page.

Fun facts
The terms Double and Triple eagle can also apply to other BC grad schools, shouldn't this be noted on this page? The terms are not exclusive to the law school. Paul (talk+) 03:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I just reworded the trivia section to make this clear. --Droitet 06:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Boston College Club
In the note about the BC Club on this page, it was suggested that membership was given to all BC grads, when in fact membership at the club is by invitation only, and extended to persons who have not graduated from BC. - New Rising Sun December 8, 2006

Pictures
All pictures so far uploaded are from the BC undergraduate Wiki page or from the Boston College Law School website. Noting so that they are not removed for unknown sources.


 * The photos of the main campus are not relevant to the law school article, and those from the law school website are most likely not fair use. Droitet 00:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The photos are clearly relevant, as Boston College is a university and not merely a law school. One of the pictures included BCLS students studying in an library on the main campus explicitly designated for law and graduate students. Pictures from the website are clearly fair use, as they are in the public domain and being used for educational purposes on an educational website. Please do not remove pictures. Further tampering may result in revocation of the privilege to contribute to the website. Thank you for your time. Mod.


 * uhhh WTF? A) The law school is on an entirely different campus. B) Babst does not have an area specifically for law students. And even if there were, how do you know that is where the picture is from and that those students are specifically law students?  That picture is in the main area of Babst and those students are most likely undergraduates. C) There is no such thing as a "Mod" on Wikipedia and even if you were in a position of authority preventing someone from editing the page would have to be backed up with lots of supporting evidence that proves your point, which is clearly lacking.  I'm removing the irrelevant pictures.Paul C/T+ 00:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I think I can clear this up, as I am a current law student. The discussion is interesting and I think both of you have some strong arguments. However, there is no such thing as a moderator on wikipedia, so I am not sure what that was about. As for BCLS, the law school is on newton campus which is connnected to main campus and where most law students actually study and many of the classes are taught. However, at least 30% of my section during my first year studied in the Oneil and Bapst libraries. Ironically, my study group is currently in the Bapst graduate student area which BC has expressly explained is for graduate and law students only, so that was actually a valid point. I also agree that the original poster who titled the picture as indicating that they were law students in the picture was out of line; there is no indication that those are law students and that caption should been removed. In sum, Boston College Law School is apart of Boston College just as any other law school is apart of their greater university. This is not a completely seperate campus, such as Georgetown University Law Center, where the law school is actually in a different area and students dont use the other campus. BCLS uses both campus both for studying and for classes. Therefore the pictures that the OP wanted are valid. However, this should be explained in a portion of the explanation. I hope this explains BCLS a little better, and some of this should be explained in the substance of the page, as it is not clear whether BCLS is independent from the greater University, like GULC, or actually apart of the University. The latter is the correct answer, as both law student experience and BC marketing have indicated. This is not an attack on either of you, as I agree with both the picture poster and the picture remover.


 * I guess that shows how much I study in Babst! Out of curiosity, where is this section in Babst? I've been to the main section where the picture in question was taken, but I don't recall seeing a section specifically for graduate students. Paul C/T+ 21:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Haha, the area is the raised area on teh first floor. It has a sign stating that it is for graduate students only. However, I see undergarduates up there every now and then, but its usually fairly empty. The upstairs area was deleted becuase that is not the area reserved for graduate students, although it is a beautiful room.
 * Most of this discussion lies beside the point. Yes, one of the several libraries on the undergraduate campus might designate a small section of carrels to be used by students participating in any of BC's graduate programs. But that set of "graduate programs" includes the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Connell School of Nursing, Graduate School of Social Work, Carroll School of Management, Woods College of Advancing Studies, Lynch School of Education, and the College of Arts and Sciences's own graduate programs. Of those, BC Law is the only school located on a separate campus -- and, it has its own library.


 * The fact that one law student shows up on Wikipedia and says, "Well, I've used Bapst to study"...heck, that doesn't even carry anecdotal weight. (It certainly doesn't explain using photos of other buildings like Gasson Hall.) Moreover, he's demonstrably wrong when he says that BC Law isn't a separate campus. The two campuses are separated by more than a mile of residential neighborhoods and commercial developments. They have different zip codes. This is like arguing that we should create an article about Boston University's Corporate Education campus in Tyngsboro using photos of Mugar Memorial Library. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.167.249.222 (talk) 16:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Why is there a picture of the mascot, Baldwin the Eagle on the law school page? It is completely out of place and has nothing to do with the law school. I think it should be deleted. Also, the picture of the golden eagle statue in front of Gasson Hall is totally irrelevant, as it is on the main campus. This page should have a picture of the BC Law library. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastodon ballet (talk • contribs) 22:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Trying getting your facts straight.
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1168423325385

Blatantly POV article
I have edited out a couple of sentences which I felt made this article too POV for Wikipedia standards. please do not use boastful terms such as "prestigious" when describing a university. it is highly POV.

"Considered a highly prestigious American law school, BC Law graduates are some of the most highly recruited law students in New England. Its reputation as one of the most prestiguous non-ivy league Universities in New England has led many, including former President John F. Kennedy, to nickname Boston College as the "Jesuit Ivy.""

I could not find a way to edit this sentence into a non-POV so i decided to just omit it. Thanks.

I've reverted this article back so that it mirrors BUSL wikipage. The two should look the same regarding presentation of facts. terrier08 11:20, August 7 2006


 * Not sure what ended up happening with this thread, but the article, while factually correct in many instances definitely has some POV issues. The article's focus on the prestige of the school seriously detracts from its impartiality.  I'll go ahead and remove them.  If they are reverted, the article may be flagged as having a POV issue.Ronnotronald 15:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

BUSL Students Altering This Article
It looks like some jealous BU Law School students have been trying to sabotage this wiki article. Some BU Law School students are clearly trying to make BU appear to be superior to Boston College Law School when it's just the opposite. BU only recently surpassed BC in the US News rankings and the Brody rankings still have BC higher, yet someone from BUSL IP address continues to change the BCLS wikipage. I've ran the IP checks on some of the editors, and there were a couple whose IP addresses were traced back to Boston University directly. 10:00, August 6 2006 (CTU)

Those damn BU Law students up to no good again. Their posts were probably riddled with spelling eorrors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkmilitia (talk • contribs) 00:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

In disagreement with above
Being someone not partial to either institution, the repetitive use of "jesuit ivy" is POV and does not add to the factual content of the article.

The school uses the nickname a great deal, and it is often referred to as such. The POV is based on an american president's speach, which is clearly credible. However, if you disagree with the statement, try discussing it on the boston college page, as the speach was made about and the term is used in reference to the entire institution as well.

Eagleionline
I'd like to propose that eagleionline.com be listed as a link on the bottom of the BC law page, as it seems to fill in a gap after http://bceagles.blogspot.com/ (The Boston College Blog) became defunct. Many students at BC Law use the resource, either to write or comment upon BC Law-related happenings, and it is currently the only student-run online blog at the law school. Eagle1492 03:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

"That's BC Lawyering"
Is it true that "Boston College Law students popularly use the epithet 'that's BC lawyering' to describe an act of exceptional wit and ingenuity that has a sense of absurdity"? I've spent quite a bit of time at BC Law and I have never heard or read the phrase except on Wikipedia. Eagle1492 03:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Take it down (I won't be at BC Law until the fall, so my hands are tied right now, but as a frequent wiki user, I'm pretty sure that "That's BC Lawyering" is not a common phrase) Since Eagle1492 might not log in for a while, I ask any BC Law student to remove the BC Lawyering comment if you haven't heard it during your time at BC Law (at this time (April), most students have been there at least 8 months and if the phrase is used commonly they certainly would have heard it by now) Megacake 07:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Urban campus?
I don't even think this deserves a discussion, but I'm changing the campus type from 'urban' to suburban, the campus is in Newton, a suburb of Boston and has no urban feel to it whatsoever.Megacake 19:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Is "BC Law Clinics" section necessary?
Is there any need to copy verbatim large portions of BC Law's website on to Wikipedia. I don't believe any of the content in the entire section contains original syntheses of ideas. What is the rationale for putting all this information in on "clinics"? It seems to me like the same rationale would justify listing all the courses BC Law offers, as well, or for that matter, a list of the faculty. Perhaps it would make the entire article stronger to say something to the effect that BC Law offers many clinics, and then simply list them (in summary form?) without long descriptions. Eagle1492 03:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

No. It's against Wiki policy I believe, I'm removing it because I believe it to be severely unencyclopedic (why are clinics highlighted and not other parts of BC Law?) I believe the case should have to be made for, not against, this section. If there are any wiki superiors who know protocol for something like this and want to intercede, feel free, but for now, I'm removing it. Megacake 08:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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