Talk:Bottom (sex)

'''This article has been merged. See Top and bottom in sex and BDSM (talk) Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  05:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)'''

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_%28BDSM%29 In Japanese bondage, a bottom is referred to as uke, a term from kabuki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_%28sex%29 In sexually-themed anime and manga, especially shounen-ai and yaoi, a bottom is referred to as uke, a term from martial arts.

The information does not appear to be consistent. see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bottom_%28BDSM%29 Zanaq

"Common slang terms in the gay community to indicate sexual preference include: pitcher (top), catcher (bottom) and switch hitter (versatile)." Was removed because those are terms the heterosexual community uses, not the gay community. The "switch" referred to (still, by the link) is similarly inaccurate. Sports analogies are heterosexual terminology for gay people, not gay terminology. In the gay community, it is top, bottom, and versatile.

&mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.157.242.145 (talk &bull; contribs).

I don't know where you log in from, but the 'pitcher'/'catcher' terminology is not at all uncommon among gay people in Virginia, where I live -- some gay-themed stores sell t-shirts bearing these names. I see the names as more tongue-in-cheek and less crass.

Removing information from WikiPedia to advance one person's idea of what is and is not gay terminology is not NPOV, by the way.

-- Heath 66.32.1.24 06:20, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Speaking as a gay man from Toronto, I can say that the pitcher/catcher/switch hitter terms are metaphorically recognizable in TO's gay community but not commonly used. Meanwhile, Heath says the terms are used more frequently in Virginia. So, I edited the page to say that some gay communities use those terms. Queerwiki 22:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Submissive versus receptive
I disagree that "bottom" necessarily implies submissive. A bottom can be very dominant! It's generally still the physical penetrative act that defines a "bottom" role in all the examples I've heard of, at least in queer circles - a person receiving oral/anal or oral/vaginal sex is generally considered a bottom (tongue as penetrator), a person performing oral sex on a penis is a bottom, a person receiving anal sex is a bottom. Notice that all of this can shift a bit for BDSM, which is why there is a Bottom (BDSM) article. I'm reverting the last edit but I welcome discussion on the talk page to hack it out. Queerwiki 23:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Power Bottom
I've heard this term thrown around. What is it exactly? Could someone please mention it in the article because it was my sole purpose in looking this up.
 * Use the context: the expectation is that the bottom will be passive, instead the person taking the bottom role is assertive and bolshy.
 * Nuttyskin 10:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * From my understanding (Toronto and Vancouver, Canada), I have also heard power bottom refer to a guy who will tend to bottom even if it's not his partner's usual choice. He could sleep with a top, versatile or normally bottom guy, and would still wind up bottoming.  Of course two power bottoms together would have issues.  Queerwiki 06:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The term “power bottom” is quite frequently used in the community here (MI); I would suggest that a reference be formulated to it on the main article page. Zea_m 17 August 2006

This is so embarrassing to admit, but the way I heard used was in regards to Johnny Hazzard (the porn star).
 * I have always heard that it was someone that just loved bottoming. The kinda guy that would just take over and start riding you whether you liked it or not and do it very aggresivly. Power bottoms might not be a tops dream guy, because a power bottom is typically very aggresive. I believe a lot of tops are actually turned off by power bottoms. However some tops like that they dont have to do as much work.

A powerbottom is a dude, a bottom boy who is usually submissive, more passive than most and that can be fucked vigorously and hard and frequently, all night or by multiple dudes and likes it. Its common gay slang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qrc2006 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 5 January 2007
 * Common or not, we need references here, and you can see above there is some disagreement on the term. (And please sign your comments.) HalJor 23:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

use the google test, on craigslist, men seeking men, type in powerbottom, read though some of the ads, youll get the gist of it.

Power Bottom, in most social circles in Northern California, is another term for "Assertive Bottom". Just as there are "Submissive Tops". As described above, though, they tend to be more assertive and aggressive than "common" Bottoms. To my experience and description, both, the best way to state it is to simply say "the harder a top pushes, the harder a power bottom pushes back".

American bias
The terms top and bottom, it is nowhere mentioned in either article, are almost exclusively American terms. In the UK and Commonwealth, a top is a T-shirt (or revolving toy), and a bottom is a pair of buttocks.
 * Nuttyskin 10:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you enlighten us as to the most common UK terms for the top/bottom concept? Perhaps you could add that to both pages. Queerwiki 06:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Keys and Handkerchief
Are the notions of the wearing of keys and handkerchiefs to indicate sexual preference truly still utilized? Or, are they severely antiquated? The article references that they are "dying out." I wonder if those practices are no longer actually practiced. In my observations of gay communities within Michigan and abroad, I have not encountered such a phenomenon. Zea_m 17 August 2006

Sheesh
This article uses the terms as though every homosexual identifies as a top, bottom or switch, with no attributed articles to support this. Now, I would not put in language to suggest that the usage of these terms stems from misunderstanding and fallacy without attribution, so I guess the plan overall is attribution. 66.41.66.213 07:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)